MDMA synthesis via Al/HG from MDP2P

[Jordan Belfort]

Here is my video, do what it what you want these are approx. ratio's.

Add less thick foil == hotter/faster reaction {probably more foil then}.
Add more mercury {is already excess} == hotter/faster reaction.

• 3L MD-P2P
• 90 grams Mercury Chloride (is excess I know)
• about 2.4KG grams foil THICK FOIL SISHSA FOIL WHATEVER NOT REGULAR HOUSEHOLD
• 4.2L methylamine on methanol solution
  • 2.4L nitromethane instead of methylamine BUT you need more foil and nitromethane IS EXPLOSIVE.
  • One mistake and is your last reaction [basification]
• 4L hexane
• Methanol
• Natrium Chloride
• Optional Caustic Soda (probably better)

Dumb everything into one pot, push the foil a little and add methanol until everything is submersed.
At the start you can stir some time because your bored, takes about 1.5/2 hours for reaction to start as in self stirring/boiling.
Total reaction time was about 4 hours.

After reaction you can either must boil the methanol off, depending on extract (hexane).
Personally I add water with NaCL dissolved[1:0.25], and not basifying the reaction since the ketone/product is already basic and extract with hexane.
You can add some extra salt for the methanol to salt out but the aluminium sludge does the same technically plus methanol doesn't dissolve NaCl for shit.

Then extract, if sludge is coming along, which can happen if use another extract (xyelene, naptha/toluene whatever you can grab) means you probably don't have access to celite means practical reasons you filter it through pure NaCl and wash it with extra solvent in a 5L canister cut open from the bottom. and collect the liquid (ofcourse).

Correct way though would be boiling off all methanol, then basify it (I don't see the point in this reaction) and then extract.

Then wash few times with brine until the brine takes no longer dirt, then normally workup (salt out and crystallize).
You be suprised howmuch dirt/waste brine takes.
It's also to wash out the methylamine so yes you better boil off the methanol and then add later the solvents.

If you think there was not enough product, then there is ketone in the extract layer, after salting out you can evaporate to check.
If ketone is left throw back new batch add more alu foil it's no rocket science.

Same will work for P2P. P2P probably needs a little less foil.

If you use these ratios on larger scale without doing incremental steps to see how reaction goes === dead.

 

[Tovenaar]

This can faster and easier
How many % is your mono solution? 35%?

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Ofcourse, use thinner alu foil and more mercury.
But it has no real benefit.

And yes 33% or 35% is it.

What reaction you propose @Tovenaar

 

[Tovenaar]

almost same but my oil finished in 40 minutes

 

[loadingST]

Why use 30% methabolic methylamine, did the reaction on imine works beterr without water ?

 

[Jordan Belfort]

I wouldn't know. Methanol does stir the reaction nicely.
Other (metal) reductions the yields are also higher when using methanol over ethanol/ipa/water so I never bothered.

 

[skanderbeg]

There was a vice documentary where the chemist did it the same way with nitromethane but I can't seem to find it anywhere

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Calculation of nitromethane is actually incorrect, If I recall it's 600ML nitromethane to 1L P2P/MD-P2P (then you have about 70ML excess).

But the problem is, if you boil of the methanol, even though it's an aezotrope, the last part is pure nitromethane.
Heating nitromethane above 82 celcius is already exploision risk. The aezotrope boils at 78-80 till the methanol is gone.
Then nitromethane forms aezotrope with the ketone (only did with P2P) which means you distill of the meth.

Nitromethane explosion rate is about identical to trinitrotoluene (TNT).

I strongly advice not to use it.

Not to mention,

• dumping sulfuric acid(or any acid) in the reaction mixture, to extract the nitromethane === risk of explosion
• Adding lye -> risk of explosion and it's VERY VERY violent reaction.