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Phenylacetone (P2P) synthesis via BMK ethyl glycidate

Novator
Jun 1, 2023
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benzaldehyde bmk bmk ethyl glycidate bmk glycidic meth p2p synthesis

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Gangster.

The resulting BMK oil at the end of this vid is good for further synthesis as is?

what can be used in place of dimethylformamide?

rothschild33 said:
The resulting BMK oil at the end of this vid is good for further synthesis as is?

it looks like the video is a BMK ethyl glycidate synthesis video, not a P2P synth.

mithyl2 said:
it looks like the video is a BMK ethyl glycidate synthesis video, not a P2P synth.

rothschild33 said:
The resulting BMK oil at the end of this vid is good for further synthesis as is?

i think this method is the final part to convert the bmk to p2p:

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/p2p-synthesis-from-bmk-glycidate-ethers.4307/

mithyl2 said:
it looks like the video is a BMK ethyl glycidate synthesis video, not a P2P synth.

BMK ethyl glycidate is synthesized first, then converted to BMK ehtyl glycidate sodium salt, and then to p2p at the end of the video.

mithyl2 said:
it looks like the video is a BMK ethyl glycidate synthesis video, not a P2P synth.

Please, do not mislead people here. Watch the video carefully before write such useless comments...

rothschild33 said:
The resulting BMK oil at the end of this vid is good for further synthesis as is?

It is recommended to steam distill P2P after any synthesis before further use.

The purity of p2p affects the further synthesis of amphetamine or methamphetamine. We recommend distilling the resulting product in this way. But we will definitely conduct several experiments using raw p2p obtained in this way.

G.Patton said:
Please, do not mislead people here. Watch the video carefully before write such useless comments...

definitely not trying mislead anyone. ignore my previous comment.

at the end of the video it describes the end product as being 'BMK oil', but in the initial title at the 3rd and final step it says; 'Phenylacetone (P2P) synthesis from BMK glycidic acid (sodium salt)'.

i didn't know that the 'BMK oil' was synonymous with P2P. (although i should have).

mithyl2 said:
definitely not trying mislead anyone. ignore my previous comment.

at the end of the video it describes the end product as being 'BMK oil', but in the initial title at the 3rd and final step it says; 'Phenylacetone (P2P) synthesis from BMK glycidic acid (sodium salt)'.

i didn't know that the 'BMK oil' was synonymous with P2P. (although i should have).

BenzylMethylKetone (p2p)

I can't find the water solubility data of BMK glycidic acid (sodium salt) Cas 5449-12-7, someones knows it?
Thanks.

btcboss2022 said:
I can't find the water solubility data of BMK glycidic acid (sodium salt) Cas 5449-12-7, someones knows it?
Thanks.

Or how many ml are aprox in the last water layer before HCL hydrolysis?And gr of sodium salt of it theoretically? Thanks.

Creative as always

Thank you for all your efforts I really wish we had a video about the P2P synthesis from Benzaldehyde and Methyl ethyl ketone (MEK)

As you know anyone can supply methyl ethyl ketone (MEK) from shops and there is also a video for you of benzaldehyde synthesis

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/phenylacetone-p2p-synthesis-from-benzaldehyde-with-butanone.187/

Also, anyone can supply all the chemicals here from stores or they can be synthesized like

Chloroform
Hydrogen peroxide
Glacial acetic acid

That final oil is extremely contaminated so you must vacum distill it properl with att least 22 mm/Hg vacuum source (aspirator will do fine). The lighter color of ther P2P oil the cleaner it is, simple as that, if it'äs still yellow orangish after first vac-distillation then run it once more vac-.dustillation and you will have a very light yellow colored P2P (which basically means it has extremely low contamination and is very pure). Orange P2P is crap, tat won't do if you want clean end product

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OrganicGuy007
Jul 4, 2023
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You are probably the mbest online cemist ever when it comes to speed and meth, extremely well performed synthesis' all of them here. I'm impressed ass hell and that's the forst time ever I said that to anyone

What other reagent can be used in place of dimethylformamide

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INDIANELK2
Sep 9, 2023
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Hi regards to all EXPERTS i am new in this forum.. My question is if I use heliotropin(piperonal) instead of benzadehyde and follow the samne procedure will i get pmk as final product ? Pls reply exprerts i will mean a lot.. Thank you

INDIANELK2 said:
Hi regards to all EXPERTS i am new in this forum.. My question is if I use heliotropin(piperonal) instead of benzadehyde and follow the samne procedure will i get pmk as final product ? Pls reply exprerts i will mean a lot.. Thank you

Pls reply

experts

INDIANELK2 said:
Hi regards to all EXPERTS i am new in this forum.. My question is if I use heliotropin(piperonal) instead of benzadehyde and follow the samne procedure will i get pmk as final product ? Pls reply exprerts i will mean a lot.. Thank you

Pls reply experts @G.Patton @Novator everyone

INDIANELK2 said:
Hi regards to all EXPERTS i am new in this forum.. My question is if I use heliotropin(piperonal) instead of benzadehyde and follow the samne procedure will i get pmk as final product ? Pls reply exprerts i will mean a lot.. Thank you

Hello, I can't answer you for sure because we haven't try this way. I guess that this synthesis may be impossible by reason that carbon atom of carbonyl group is less electroscopic. Anyway, it's just by assumption. I need to carry out experiments to figure it out.

G.Patton said:
Hello, I can't answer you for sure because we haven't try this way. I guess that this synthesis may be impossible by reason that carbon atom of carbonyl group is less electroscopic. Anyway, it's just by assumption. I need to carry out experiments to figure it out.

Okay thanks pls share results if you ever conduct experiments

thanks for reply

i'm looking into exactly this procedure too. still need to test though

The video tutorial is very detailed. It's great

INDIANELK said:
Pls reply experts

If you've got Heliotropin, I'd suggest forgetting about MDMA, and go for MDA instead. Should be able to make a nitro compound with the Heliotropin, and then reduce it. It's pretty straightforward, and not-to-messy chemistry. Which I find frustrating, because I can get pretty much everything *but* Heliotropin for some stupid reason. Yeah, man: consider MDA instead.

Field7 said:
If you've got Heliotropin, I'd suggest forgetting about MDMA, and go for MDA instead. Should be able to make a nitro compound with the Heliotropin, and then reduce it. It's pretty straightforward, and not-to-messy chemistry. Which I find frustrating, because I can get pretty much everything *but* Heliotropin for some stupid reason. Yeah, man: consider MDA instead.

Yes in my country I can get nitroethane and heliotropin at very reasonable prices so you suggest to make
MDP2NP -> MDA
Which would be the best route

INDIANELK said:
Yes in my country I can get nitroethane and heliotropin at very reasonable prices so you suggest to make
MDP2NP -> MDA
Which would be the best route

Hey, Man. Nice to hear from you.

I have a very convenient answer for you: There's a really nice video on this site that illustrates the reduction of P2NP to Amphetamine using a Sodium Borohydride + Cuprous Chloride system. All you need to do is substitute an equa-molar amount of MDP2NP. That's it.

There's a bunch of other ways, but I think that with regards to having 1) Clear instruction 2) Acceptable yield 3) Being cost effective 4) Ease of material accessibility and 4) No need for especially costly equipment... that's your way to go: follow that video, and substitute that nitro-compound with an equa-molar amount of yours.

The only changes I'd make are to steam distill your end product for purity, make a Hcl salt instead. Why Hcl, you ask? I believe it's more water soluble than the sulfate, which should aide in absorption, especially by insufflation... and besides, it's just a personal bias of mine. Tradition, maybe even.

The Chinese are funny about selling Piperonal for some reason (yes, I know. But..), but not countries in Asia Minor (eg India). I don't have a reliable source, though, and wouldn't buy from someone if they approached me. Sucks for me, but *yay* for you.

Feel free to PM me and let me know how it goes, or if you have sensitive questions... but if you have general questions, please post them so everyone can learn.

I'm editing this for a side note. For anyone with PMK, you can produce and oxime instead, and then substitute an equa-molar amount of the oxime in the very same.... I'll say "recipe" in this case.

So many possibilities. Fun stuff...

Last edited: Oct 17, 2023

The sodium salt form will be more water-soluble due to the ionic nature of the salt. When you hydrolyze the sodium salt of BMK glycidate in the presence of hydrochloric acid (HCl), the acid will protonate the glycidate anion to form the BMK glycidic acid, which then undergoes further hydrolysis to produce phenylacetone and other products.

The presence of the sodium cation (from the sodium salt) and the chloride anion (from the HCl) will result in the formation of sodium chloride (NaCl) as a side product in the aqueous layer.

If you perform a liquid-liquid extraction after the reaction, phenylacetone will most likely be in the organic layer due to its organic nature, while the sodium chloride and any unreacted sodium salt of BMK glycidate will remain in the aqueous layer. To further purify, for distillation to be effective, there should be a significant difference in the boiling points of the compounds in the mixture. Phenylacetone has a boiling point around 214°C. I think most potential impurities resulting from this method can be separated effectively through vacuum distillation to lower the boiling point and lessen the risk of decomposition.

J
ja1
Nov 4, 2023

i have the bmk in powder cas 5449-12-7 what should i add and from where i should follow the video
what is the process of powder ??
can you help me ?

J
ja1
Nov 4, 2023

how i can turn cas 5449-12-7 liquid and from where i can follow the video process
can you give one by one steps?
got stuck in this will be thankful for guidance

J
ja1
Nov 4, 2023

what should i do before HCL can someone give me steps to do so i can continue with HCL
what ratio ethonal etc i need to mix?

Last edited: Nov 4, 2023

ja1 said:
how i can turn cas 5449-12-7 liquid and from where i can follow the video process
can you give one by one steps?
got stuck in this will be thankful for guidance

Please, stop spam by questions and open the link under the video. There are answers.

G.Patton said:
Please, stop spam by questions and open the link under the video. There are answers.

Can you send me a copy of this link? Thank you.

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