After of looking through markets and talking to Chinese vendors - wheres the a-PVP

[propiophenone]

Hello, I have come to BB after seeing the exquisite video of the a-PVP synth. This alerted me to the fact that it must be being synthed and sold again in some capacity.

And yet, when I looked for real a-PVP (not a-PHiP or the Chinese apvpx) I found nothing. I found one listing in Poland that was way overpriced and with no feedback.

Is a-PVP in fact still being synthed and sold on general markets? Or is it now "behind closed doors" and on a need to know basis.

I have been part of the RC world for well over a decade but took an extended break. Seeing your synth videos has me reinterested. I appreciate whatever help you can offer.

Thanks

 

[propiophenone]

I know this thread is below the quality being striven for here at BB. I know this isn't the right part of the forum to post this. I'm just frustrated that the RC darknet/greynet has appeared to have been severely damaged over the last several years.

And no a-PVP adds insult to injury.

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

There is lack of A-PVP on the market because a lot of users are interested to buy this substance. The synthesis is really simple, yields are quite height, reagents are legal and cheap.
A-PVP is a very profitable substance for the market sells.

 

[Moriaty1910]

There is lack of A-PVP on the market because a lot of users are interested to buy this substance. The synthesis is really simple, yields are quite height, reagents are legal and cheap.
A-PVP is a very profitable substance for the market sells.

HIGGS BOSSONHi, around me people ask me for PHiP but PVP should be ok , could you help me how to do that ?

 

[propiophenone]

and pvp is very easy to synthesize but it is a very potent drug where it can bring a lot of trouble to the dealer. tripe in Poland is underestimated and its prices are equal to meth now on the Polish market a lot of 3cmc 4cmc and 4mmc soe are produced, with a predominance of cmc. where the prices are low and the product is a lot

Level1I understand it's a potent and wildly powerful drug. But I dont understand how they're are not some decently visible vendors selling it.

What do you mean by "tripe" ?

 

[propiophenone]

There is lack of A-PVP on the market because a lot of users are interested to buy this substance. The synthesis is really simple, yields are quite height, reagents are legal and cheap.
A-PVP is a very profitable substance for the market sells.

HIGGS BOSSONYes, after watching the synthesis it's no wonder inexperienced Chinese labs were able to produce tons of it.

I figured that since 4-MMC has made a large comeback that a-PVP would have a niche market as well.

Have you seen it sold recently anywhere?

 

[Acidosis]

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Hello, I have come to BB after seeing the exquisite video of the a-PVP synth. This alerted me to the fact that it must be being synthed and sold again in some capacity.

And yet, when I looked for real a-PVP (not a-PHiP or the Chinese apvpx) I found nothing. I found one listing in Poland that was way overpriced and with no feedback.

Is a-PVP in fact still being synthed and sold on general markets? Or is it now "behind closed doors" and on a need to know basis.

I have been part of the RC world for well over a decade but took an extended break. Seeing your synth videos has me reinterested. I appreciate whatever help you can offer.

Thanks

propiophenoneA-pvp original is banned in xina bro, in xina only have acces to the analogic products of this. The unique way is buy precursor and cook...hugs

 

[epson]

For some reason no one is making it in EU, very popular in russia and you see it in the usa from time to time. In my opinion this is a big market gap that can be filled. Precursors are cheap yes, but the equipment is expensive

 

[Taimo]

i think i will be sell it on markets in future, i synthesis it already and take it myself. Quali is good and is profitable, why not

 

[41Dxflatline]

Nitrochemis sells 2-bromo-valerophenone for $240/kg, valerophenone for $195/L or $120/500ml

 

[MrSung]

I am also very much interested in its synthesis, but currently i am sorting out the precursors.

 

[middlemaneu]

I'm glad finally vendors or suppliers start to see the "Niche" (and I won't call t so, when you are the only one with the REAL compound and rumors spread, in few days will be everything sold out) of RCs that were so much successful and people struggled for years trying to find it again, and even if not they adapted, real A-PVP will bring all them back in no time.
The same goes with 4-MMC, since it seems the legit one is made only in UK where the culture of Mephedrone never vanished (NL/PL could be found too, but with all the Cath. analogues, the risks of getting "scammed" and receive an analogue is higher) - both in EU and USA Mephedrone gained popularity even across mainstream drugs market. There should be more legit production.
MXE is another RC that people would pay very very well, same for other dissos that are now banned but still strongly requested (4-HO-MET).
The list can continue for very long - if you are a big seller / organized crime, maybe those "Niche" won't interest you much (maybe gaining 500K or so with few batches, just more "stuff" to handle, chemists, precursors - better stick to mainstream drugs), but as small or medium vendor, selling something nobody else is offering and just by spreading some rumors on communities, you will see after the first person who get it and if fully satisfied, bringing to lab testing, and confirming to community "the real thing is back" will skyrocket your popularity and appreciation for bringing back such RCs who are still missing so much from a large number of users, lot more than vendors usually think

Good luck

 

[madmoney69]

I dont think it has high demand as you guys say. Not many people have tried it or know this substance even exist.
It never cost much on the street that a-pvp and all lowest class junkies and people living on the street did it in usa. Meth is dirt cheap in usa for them to use now.
I think if it had high demand there would be big sellers selling it as synthesis is easy to scale up. And how much you gonna price it per kg, I think not much?
Also its hardcore drug, many overdoses, DEA will be interested if big amounts move, be safe if want to last.

 

[middlemaneu]

@madmoney69
I'm not sure, or better said - it could be it's very different the request between different countries. Idk in USA how different is the culture between states, but in EU the difference is pretty big and every country has their particular "top drugs" must have. In EU the RC business was very very big, therefore A-PVP and 4-MMC are not at all strangers. And from a review I made there is definitely a huge interest in both. A-PVP is simply nowhere to be found and people get pissed to try and get shitty analogues, but they would instabuy it (central and east EU countries). Same for 4-mmc the situation is a MESS. The only 4-MMC of good quality where production never stopped even after the ban is UK, but they don't export/sell to other countries since the customs are very strict.

Poland as you said it has few vendors of 4-mmc, but like NL, the chances you get a shitty analogue on DNMs is big. In my last attempts to get (for personal usage) some good 4-mmc again from 3 different vendors/countries, I received: a) total bunk full of solvents and 30%ish 4-mmc b) 2-mmc (lab tested) c) 4-CMC

DNMs became just such mainstream and full of vendors of "I got almost all drugs you may know" but no more serious direct chemist-vendor or just one step away providing the real product when it comes to mephedrone, years ago it was plenty.

 

[psy]

a-pvp only existed because it was cheap and legal in china. Compared to other stimulants it is inferior (maybe not for all but I presume for most). The game works simply by switching out what is sold every time after a ban. I suppose a-pvp was more popular because it had better effects than other rc stimulants to come before (and after), but the supply is gone after it is made illegal. Methamphetamine is arguably better so if you are going to break the law anyway you might as well sell a product the people will prefer.

 

[middlemaneu]

To avoid conflicts or misunderstanding as well escalation risks in the discussion: I'd like to specify my answer below is not directed to anyone posting above disagreeing with me, I simply present the facts based on the feedback collected and the information I have

In the last two years I saw batches of A-PVP, sold in EU on DNMs from both emerging direct chemist-vendor and a big known vendor who asked on TheHub, own DNM forum or Dread which compound its customers would like to see again - when it was confirmed/lab tested it was the real A-PVP and not the usual analogue trick, it sold out in no time, and people were paying for it 80usd/g or even more. I know it sounds really odd, personally I don't find it either something so attractive. But it has a certain something that still generates a wish for it - including even the nasty side effects (a proper psychosis/paranoia). Why MPDV was anyway "appreciated" (even if certainly this is not a compound still asked for)? The same with A-PHP and A-PHIP, if you go checking few other communities of RCs - generally people are trying to stash as much as they can (maybe in this case it's because its discrete success and can be vaped?)

I've asked around more a bit in the last two days and on all RCs communities and groups, and the answer does not change - I didn't hear anyone saying he would not be interested if real a-pvp will be offered again. And I'm not insisting on this point because I'd like a-pvp again or I'd like to make business on it, I'm just reporting the facts about what I used to do in the last 10+ years - follow the scene globally and from different perspective / communities (chemistry and pharmacology, RCs (banned or legal), mainstream DNMs, underground chemistry batches manufactured and sold directly without DNMs). I cannot really mention details but if batches were made (and not only the few sold publicly), and right now two groups are planning a big production, there must be a reason, beyond the legal aspect or the cost. The RCs communities got a pretty wide audience and the smaller communities where DD/Reviews of vendors are in the same place, most of them semi-private or private - the legitimate vendors expanded their (private) menu putting again banned RCs.
Since the fall of AB - probably this event exhausted a lot of people, one possible explanation other than making it easier to get new customers and quicker deliveries with vendors you trust since long - moving to Telegram groups and vending BOT became a trendy - a terrible Opsec one, but whatever

In my personal opinion, I can only think as reason people get bored on a long term of mainstream drugs (especially with stims or Empathogen drugs) - that's why RCs keep coming out and until the entire class got banned, more and more attempts to make is something similar or as good as <enter old RC still asked after years here> are done, not necessarily because "they can be bought legally" (PS: in USA A-PVP is on the same schedule list of Meth, therefore Psy got a point on this regard about the risks - but in EU it's scheduled under other minor lists)
If you check the situation in EU currently is anyway all messed up, EU laws and several countries banned more and more RCs or entire classes. People just seek new (or old and particularly appreciated) effects. Same for 4-FA and 3-MAR, two other compound that are keep being mentioned and wished along A-PVP.

I don't really want to argue about A-PVP anymore, neither I need to prove anything, not having any personal interest. I just reported the info I collected, and I am pretty sure that if you post a poll on reddit /r/researchchemicals and asking the community if they would be ready to pay X/g for lab tested A-PVP - you will get directly from the community itself such feedback or find out the real reasons why this compound is still desired.
Just make sure to do it specifying you are just doing it for statistic purpose, or good luck with the hundreds of PM's you will receive / risk of being banned for sourcing if it appears you are going to be the one interested in releasing a batch :>

 

[madmoney69]

A-pvp simple to produce. Make it happen G and market will tell how much you can move.
I just dont think stimulant junkies will pay much more for it than they pay for meth or some legal stimulant from china. Maybe drug enthusiasts do pay 80usd to test one gram to remember old days but not daily junkie to mantain his habit when he can get meth ounce for 200usd +
Hated pyrrolidine semen smell while cooking a-pvp.

 

[middlemaneu]

It's a very legit and logical perspective indeed. We will see how the community and markets will react when a-pvp will popup again
Regarding being a "stims junkie" - I think it's a matter of culture or subjective rules / way to use it. What's for sure is the fact there is enough people interested to make not only "one big cash-in" but enough for long term, in terms people who love a-pvp for one reason or another, are picking it because of its effects and not for maintenance, in such case I definitely agree meth would be the most logical choice.

Consider the continent differences as well - here in EU even if Meth is present, is not really the predominant illegal stim sold - lot of people just stick with easy-to-get prescription for Lisdexamphetamine or Methylphenidate, just to be at peace they are not using "drugs" but "meds" - and the rest of the business is the "Speed paste", produced in tons and tons - what is really annoying lately is that now vendors started to dry it from solvents, then sell it for insane prices (like 30 eur/g)..for what, for having drying it out? Like the purity raised in this way. Another thing DEFINITELY missing from the good old times (and maybe another reason why other stims we talked above are in big request, at least EU-wise?) is the total lack of -REAL- professional chemist-direct vendor providing Amphetamine Phosphate or Sulphate. Such product was sold from some immortal and well known vendors name, who got just annoyed from all exit scams and takedown of DNMs. Now you read everywhere "PURE SPEED PASTE 98%" (doh, since when racemic mix could be > 67-70% before switching from solid to liquid?), and those dried speed paste sold as "Amphetamine Sulphate". And, to add my daily complain, the same with 4-MMC, no clues why so many "have-it-all" vendors with good reputation now even offers 3-MMC -AND- 4-MMC listings. Who with a sane mind would prefer any analogue (except if used as purely functional stim) over real 4-MMC? In USA I am aware production of legit 4-MMC had a big spike in the last year and half. In EU it seems the fame it's getting just serve the purpose of allowing more vendors to sell bunk or analogues presented as 4-MMC.

Thank you for the exchange of information and opinions in a reasonable and enjoyable way!

 

[madmoney69]

I agree if you have success with it you will likely have it in EU more than USA. Just be careful it has caused many overdoses so can cause heat from police even if sold over dark. At least this is what I heard in Hungary about it.

 

[middlemaneu]

Thanks for the advice - but as I said, I've no real interest in A-PVP, I don't remember anyway where it started the whole I was just mentioning some RCs that are in high request without doing in exotic/oscure ones - I think aside A-PVP (one group tough who is willingly to produce a big batch is US located), the other ones mentioned are definitely a "worldwide" interests (4-mmc, MXE, 4-FA, and of course the forbidden ones - even if it would be lot lot safer and better than the current only chinese alternative - when it comes to strong opioids. I'd gladly see again properly balanced potency/receptors affinity banned compounds but at least in a potency range suitable for most users without volumetric or cut needed, and especially tolerance total destruction - taking all Etonitazene analogues out of the game and bring back instead of those 80-220x morpine potency craps, stuff like Acetyl-F (15x) or Furanyl-F (25x) - or any other class, there are just so many with doable synth, lot of papers / old researches / some with frist clinic trials even made - so no guinea pig stuff - and still in the range 10-40x, with a WW- or at least EU-wise fully legal status).

Ok, I suppose I hijacked already so many times this poor post where OP asked only about a-pvp, in case you want to talk about other RCs not related to a-pvp, feel free to start a new post or PM me :>