Im.gking to be quiet honest and Frank here have any if you tried the product this makes strength wise iits fucken shit yrs you make a product but it does nothing not only me 4 other people said the same thing after producing product for the last 20 years I'm going to tell you all straight unless your reaction has a metal in it don't bother it's the metals that what give the product it's strength leg lithium bitch iodine hypophos/rp p2p aluminium amalgam your reaction has to be one of these else your just waisting time effort and money on producing shit
I'm not having a go at any one I'm just stating the facts thanks to btc bioss keep up the good work I'm going to try and find another method of yours that has metal in so I don't throw this p2p down the toilet all these methods without metal in them are to ifucken.us3l3ss
I'm not having a go at any one I'm just stating the facts thanks to btc bioss keep up the good work I'm going to try and find another method of yours that has metal in so I don't throw this p2p down the toilet all these methods without metal in them are to ifucken.us3l3ss
- By btcboss2022
Lordoftheshard 2Is impossible to discuss something when the main thing are "facts" based on personal feelings without any chemical or scientific argument.
Is very easy to understand pure MDMA is pure MDMA and pure D-Meth is pure D-meth if you obtain the pure product it's a unique compound with a unique molecule structure.
D-Meth
MDMA
If you have these pure and isolated molecules no matter the route you used with metal, without metal even with magical techniques...won't be any difference should be exactly the same.
About strength only could change about impurities(pure product concentration not enough isolated) or enantiomers separation(in that case won't be the exact molecule of the pic)
I can put in your hands 10 samples of pure product obtained with different routes and you never will know the route used on each, won't be distinguishable.
Easy example pure technical distilled H2O is pure H2O you won't know the technique used to get it you just have H2O.
With this I don't want to change your mind or your feelings when you use the product, I'm just explaining contrasted and real facts that could be shown to anybody anywhere with the same results.
Thanks.
Is very easy to understand pure MDMA is pure MDMA and pure D-Meth is pure D-meth if you obtain the pure product it's a unique compound with a unique molecule structure.
D-Meth
MDMA
If you have these pure and isolated molecules no matter the route you used with metal, without metal even with magical techniques...won't be any difference should be exactly the same.
About strength only could change about impurities(pure product concentration not enough isolated) or enantiomers separation(in that case won't be the exact molecule of the pic)
I can put in your hands 10 samples of pure product obtained with different routes and you never will know the route used on each, won't be distinguishable.
Easy example pure technical distilled H2O is pure H2O you won't know the technique used to get it you just have H2O.
With this I don't want to change your mind or your feelings when you use the product, I'm just explaining contrasted and real facts that could be shown to anybody anywhere with the same results.
Thanks.
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- By diogenes
Lordoftheshard 2Why don`t you run a TLC for the two products (pseudo & NaBH4 - meth)? If it is the same molecule then perhaps the resolution is not right. Pseudo gives 100% D-meth, from P2P it is difficult to get close to that purity (and impossible to reach it).
It would be great to get to the bottom of this question. On one hand if it is the same molecule (as btcboss said) it should be equally effective, on the other hand I am sure the reports of lack of effect are also true, so we have an important question to solve. I don`t have access to pseudo unfortunately (and cannot be bothered to extract from cough medication), but if I did I would try to figure this out.
Has anyone tried the effectiveness of Al/Hg product? Is Al/Hg better to reduce P2P because a metal is involved in it?
It would be great to get to the bottom of this question. On one hand if it is the same molecule (as btcboss said) it should be equally effective, on the other hand I am sure the reports of lack of effect are also true, so we have an important question to solve. I don`t have access to pseudo unfortunately (and cannot be bothered to extract from cough medication), but if I did I would try to figure this out.
Has anyone tried the effectiveness of Al/Hg product? Is Al/Hg better to reduce P2P because a metal is involved in it?
- By btcboss2022
diogenesThe unique real explanation only could be related with resolution never with final stuff obtained, I will do Al/Hg and check.
diogenesI already know tht answer the p2p cannot complete with a pseudo or ephedrine synth One the optical purity 90%for pseudo and ephedrine where p2p highest is 74%and then the isomer factor dmeth no resolution bullshit that pseudo and ephedrine makes the p2p cant compeate it's like going to a fight with one of your arms tied behind behind your back
- By diogenes
Lordoftheshard 2Lordoftheshard, the optical purity for pseudo/ephedrine derived meth is 100% D-meth (ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are isomers of each other. The molecule has got 2 stereocenters and ephedrine and pseudoephedrine differ in one of the stereocenters, the other one is the same, and this latter one continues to be present in D-meth.
Look at this picture:
Not suprisingly only the molecules on the left possess pharmacological effect, - Ephedrine and +pseudoephedrine, these are the ones sold in pharmacies as ephedine/pseudoephedrine. The ones on the right have no effect.
These two only differ in the position of the hydroxyl group, which is reduced to H when converting to methamphetamine, so they become the same ie. D-meth (100% D isomer)
There are resolution techniques to reach far beyond 90+ purity resolving the racemic mixtrure of D/L methamphetamine, derived from P2P, but it is not so easy.
The original question refers to an alleged lack of effectiveness of methamphetamine when reduced by NaBH4.
Look at this picture:
Not suprisingly only the molecules on the left possess pharmacological effect, - Ephedrine and +pseudoephedrine, these are the ones sold in pharmacies as ephedine/pseudoephedrine. The ones on the right have no effect.
These two only differ in the position of the hydroxyl group, which is reduced to H when converting to methamphetamine, so they become the same ie. D-meth (100% D isomer)
There are resolution techniques to reach far beyond 90+ purity resolving the racemic mixtrure of D/L methamphetamine, derived from P2P, but it is not so easy.
The original question refers to an alleged lack of effectiveness of methamphetamine when reduced by NaBH4.