Reliable vendor of Mephedrone from Europe?

[middlemaneu]

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After 5 Attempts from 5 different EU countries, where reviews on market and "confirmed" (paid user reviews) on dread, after getting 2x total bunk, full of solvents, terribly low (if any) 4-mmc purity, and 3x random cathinone analogues, finding a legit EU vendor would be great. With a decent stealth not shipped from hot countries in *** air bubbles envelope with a sealed bag inside and nothing else, not even a (random) return address.

UK is known for the 4-mmc culture and production never stopped there. But no vendors are shipping to EU due delays and severe customs check IN/OUTgoing.
PL/NL is a 50/50, between getting a proper fire batch, or a random analogue.
Germany was always a total flop (sorry resellers, lab-test what you buy first)

I'm seeking it just for stash / personal usage, but I can connect with vendors EU based interested in reselling * real * 4-MMC, especially from non-hot EU countries.

Not interested in CN/USA offers, same as original topic - EU vendors (= countries physically located in the continent called Europe

 

[itcantbereal]

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After 5 Attempts from 5 different EU countries, where reviews on market and "confirmed" (paid user reviews) on dread, after getting 2x total bunk, full of solvents, terribly low (if any) 4-mmc purity, and 3x random cathinone analogues, finding a legit EU vendor would be great. With a decent stealth not shipped from hot countries in *** air bubbles envelope with a sealed bag inside and nothing else, not even a (random) return address.

UK is known for the 4-mmc culture and production never stopped there. But no vendors are shipping to EU due delays and severe customs check IN/OUTgoing.
PL/NL is a 50/50, between getting a proper fire batch, or a random analogue.
Germany was always a total flop (sorry resellers, lab-test what you buy first)

I'm seeking it just for stash / personal usage, but I can connect with vendors EU based interested in reselling * real * 4-MMC, especially from non-hot EU countries.

Not interested in CN/USA offers, same as original topic - EU vendors (= countries physically located in the continent called Europe

middlemaneuCan anyone explain to my ignorant ass why this is overtaking the market? It seems kinda odd to produce halogenic cathinones in enormous amounts and supplant by them methyl cathinones. I dont understand from the manufacturing or person effect standpoint. What benefit comes from producing 3cmc/4cmc instead?

 

[middlemaneu]

Can anyone explain to my ignorant ass why this is overtaking the market? It seems kinda odd to produce halogenic cathinones in enormous amounts and supplant by them methyl cathinones. I dont understand from the manufacturing or person effect standpoint. What benefit comes from producing 3cmc/4cmc instead?

itcantberealI would LOVE to have a detailed answer, but sadly when things go in the wrong direction, buyers who got no clues about real 4-mmc, or they enjoyed 3-mmc thinking is 4-mmc, are now getting all the other dozens of analogues thinking they are just "better" or worst batches. As long as the big vendor whales offer the product, and their other product are legit, the "culture" of the real Meow Meow will be sadly gone..

It's just cheaper and hassle free for the big vendors to get from their wholesale reseller they trust whatever react positive to cathinones, and wholesale is just buying from other EU manufacturers but mostly from china the "codename" unknown random ones. That's the main reason: china can manufacture very cheap big quantities.

The "culture" of 4-mmc started to spread / raise again with 3-mmc, since it was the closest shot (even if still miles away), and this was a tasty occasion to "scam" a lot of returning real mephedrone lovers. Manufacturing of 4-mmc is made mosty (and only, if we talk about EU) in UK, where it never stopped existing, and Poland. NL/SWE and other east countries it's a coinflip about what you will get. But the lab drugs checking made in the last 2-3 months in EU talks clearly: not a single one sent to energy-control (Spain) or eve-rave (Switzerland) was 4-mmc, not even 3-mmc anymore.
UK is high risk country for shipping, same for Poland (for the shipper, not for receiving on the second one). So the real 4-mmc stays in the hands of the lucky ones who can get a reshipper in one of such countries.

And yes, *bump* still waiting for a real 4-mmc manufacturer EU-based who can supply 4-mmc - both small and big quantities.

 

[itcantbereal]

its a god damn shame. I have russian telegram channels I was getting real 4mmc from last year from dead drops in poland. I went back this year and tried 5-6? different ones, just a gram each to see, and it was all 3-4cmc. In Russia I assume they produce as well, but I dont think it makes it out of there either. I know my friends there are still getting real shit, but they also have a taste for it and know the difference. I would say there and the UK are similar in that regard. Unfortunately I can't get back into Russia, but currently in Georgia and trying to link up with some Russian friends to see if they still have the real thing around here

 

[middlemaneu]

What is really incredible in the very literal term of this word is how can it be the big hype for 4-mmc that was "resurrected" from 3-mmc users for a while, instead of becoming a good opportunity and make it part of the streamline products from big manufacturers / organized crime (instead of producing tons of meth without using pseudoephedrine as precursors, prices of meth dropped in EU drastically.. but that's because after a popularity spike that came back 3-4 years ago, with the current quality of mass-manufacturing that only smokes and taste like meth, but you can go sleeping few hours later and you don't even manage to get a psychosis..people stopped buying this trash, not even worth the 50-60 eur asked) - they could have spent the resourced for 4-mmc - in USA is sold even for 100 USD /g in some states, and in EU depending the country 30-90 eur/g (and the fact nobody is selling it online, unless just the next random cathinones - except PL/UK, NL big wholesale supplier decided too to just buy random chinese cathinones or leftovers of the EU produced ones nobody gave a $hit - before it was at least 50/50 of chances..)

Just why, really.. the precursors are easy to find and import (available in multiple EU countries), synth is very simple (I'm no chemist therefore I cannot know for sure, but it's easier than amphetamine, and there are several small vendors manufacturing domestic) - why nobody is doing a *** with such big demand (the fact communities became so fragmented and spread across so many other platforms and telegram groups and DNMs vendors whales could play a role about not being receptive of the demand..but the same applies to low potency RC opioids in EU, lately O-DSMT appeared again.. more expensive than pure/hq real heroin pro gram? that's simply so sick, and people are buying for such prices regardless,,)

I give up, I really have no interest in doing business (at least personally, some clients of mine would buy and resell bulk), it's since months I carve for a proper 4-mmc high, but after 6 attempts failed, and apparently no vendor in UK or PL ships outside their country, and no other country is showing up to supply (maybe Sweden..?) - I will just wait for something to happen because it's such a waste of time and depressing seeing such scene, where new generations try 4-cmc or whatever sold as 4-mmc and thinking they experienced the real Meow Meow, Such a lack of respect for the 4-mmc culture this analogues EU-wide plague.

 

[itcantbereal]

I sense the same kind of disappointment in you, friend. I plan to find a real source and create a market for it in the states. I don't care if i sit on multiple kgs while other things in the shop continue to sell and be restocked. Once people try the real thing and have a basis to compare, maybe things will slightly change. Meth in the states is at minimum 50% cut with MSM, ive washed many batches and that process seems more difficult than making 4mmc itself. however i dont know if its as easy to source the precursors there as it is in EU. Its not worth the risk when there is no market for it, but im willing to find a legit chemist here with the ability to hide and import drugs here. Im pretty sure I will find the right source and real 4mmc will be stocked in my online store.

But, I have very disappointed to see the state of things, when i took being able to get real 4mmc not even a full year ago for granted after leaving eastern europe. now you have to question everything. It never caught on in the states originally because of the huge influx of "legal" cathinones in the scene. people sold all types as MDMA which was 100/g street price, and importing these from china with little worry was 2/g? if something came back yellow on a tester people were about to kill whoever was selling it.

i guess things only get worse from here, and i thought it was already bad

 

[middlemaneu]

* bump * situation still unchanged, most EU vendors on DNMs claiming to sell 4-mmc delivering random cathinones from china.
Only real 4-mmc manufactured in UK and PL is not shipped outside their countries (not even to other EU countries) and finding a reshipper is very hard.

Any update on this matter will be greatly appreciated (seeking EU vendor, USA vendor thanks but ordering bulk 4-mmc from USA is too risks, and it cannot be one of the easiest drug to synth and with an insane demand, just getting ignored and the same like other amazing RCs happens over and over, lazy vendors too big to fail ships only analogues promising the real thing but they just fetch only bunk, and after 1..2...3 years, buyers will give up). Community is already fragmented enough and scattered everywhere.. I really don't get why no small-medium chemist/vendor is interested. People are buying real 4-mmc for 100USD in USA and in EU, if any, would pay easily 50-120 eur/g depending the country due the big difference with salaries.

 

[PolandoEmingarnte]

* bump * situation still unchanged, most EU vendors on DNMs claiming to sell 4-mmc delivering random cathinones from china.
Only real 4-mmc manufactured in UK and PL is not shipped outside their countries (not even to other EU countries) and finding a reshipper is very hard.

Any update on this matter will be greatly appreciated (seeking EU vendor, USA vendor thanks but ordering bulk 4-mmc from USA is too risks, and it cannot be one of the easiest drug to synth and with an insane demand, just getting ignored and the same like other amazing RCs happens over and over, lazy vendors too big to fail ships only analogues promising the real thing but they just fetch only bunk, and after 1..2...3 years, buyers will give up). Community is already fragmented enough and scattered everywhere.. I really don't get why no small-medium chemist/vendor is interested. People are buying real 4-mmc for 100USD in USA and in EU, if any, would pay easily 50-120 eur/g depending the country due the big difference with salaries.

middlemaneumuch people have 4mmc buy much seller worry to send to other country because is no safe if they sell a lot then if police top him they lost all

 

[middlemaneu]

much people have 4mmc buy much seller worry to send to other country because is no safe if they sell a lot then if police top him they lost all

PolandoEmingarnteYes I verified and you are right, if you are in PL shipping outside is not easy. But you can always pay somebody living in a nearby country to bring it outside PL, or you can ask a foreigner / somebody living in another country to come to PL and go in post shipping it, of course you need some very special ninja stealth to ship at least 500g and make a very good gains. But there are several ways to pass customs..and worst case, this person won't be tracked not being a PL citizen

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