Lowest startup cost/least complicated synthesis method

[fiendmaster]

Hello,
I am trying to make psychoactive carts, so I assume I need to choose a cannabinoid and then synthezize it from something, that I can easily obtain. After some reading I am inclined towards the CBD isomerisation method.

I was wondering, if there is perhaps a different synthetic cannabinoid, that is easier to make? But I am looking for as strong a high as possible.

I dont have any starting equipment, so TLDR I am lookin for the easiest to synthezize cannabinoid and POS, by that I mean to obtain everything that I need, Im no really worried about a complicated process, but I dont have twenty 10k USD machines. The high should be at least comparable to delta-8/delta-9 in the strengh of the high.

Also if you guys have some home/DIY techniques or tips I will be happy to receive them.

Thanks all

 

[fiendmaster]

So far what I have in mind is:
Buy CBD isolate, A4 Zeolite and what I wanted was methanol but that isnt available for me so I assume ethanol as a solvent, CO2 gas.

Mix CBD isolate and Zeolite 1:2 put in an airtight container and replace air with CO2, heat for I dont remember how long right now, but I think at 80C.

Then filter wash with the ethanol solvent and afterwards evaporate the ethanol.

Is this correct and a good idea? Also could someone please describe how the product is affected by different ratios and conditions? Also would the end product of this procedure be an oil that I can put in a cart or do I need to do something else like decarb? I would assume after all the heating it should already be decarbed right?

 

[CCL4 huffer]

bro all of these are the kind that u can find decently pure at ur nearest store but u cant rl cyclise the cbd with co2 just get ptsa or AlCl or hcl or mayby a idea of what ur trying to go for since i can tell u the d9/8 synth cant look easy but can be realy shitty in not clean and not controled conditions (also do some more research since ur fumbling more things around than a 8th grader during a chemistry test )

 

[fiendmaster]

I will thanks for the tips, also anything to say about the newer post?

 

[fiendmaster]

Although after more research I am actually now inclined to go with the method described by William D. in this post. Is that a good idea? I think so, since getting a clean beaker seems a lot easier than doing this in a homemade setup.

 

[CCL4 huffer]

yeah so with full honesty. no the muriatic method has a critical failure point: its using HCl as a aq solution witch means the d9 thc can potentialy hydrolise not producing mutch d9 or d8 also the heating in air is a difficult part bc it also doens like air that mutch the lost yield of that faktor is minnimal but still adding up resulting in a pretty useless oil with all kinds of shit in it.
from my expirience AlCl3 or anhydrous PTSA is best.

just a fun chart to look at:

 

[CCL4 huffer]

tolulene worked best for me and for the ptsa to get d8 a ratio of 1mmol cbd to 2 mmol ptsa while at 50c was pretty good.

 

[CCL4 huffer]

for like 48h+- while under sieves

 

[William D.]

Cannabidiol has already been decarboxylated

 

[rotovap5002]

No, that is not smokable, you need to SPD it afterwards it contains harmful acids.

 

[fiendmaster]

Sorry, what does that mean? I have no idea and I tried looking it up, but didnt find anything. Could you please describe the process as well?

 

[William D.]

with soda soln.

 

[mycelium]

Short path vacuum distillation, to get just THC, and leave behind HCl or pTSA or H2SO4, or even citric, since people use that, insane huge 50 pounds bags of it at the extractionstire

 

[William D.]

Unfortunately I haven't found a good method for citric acid that doesn't leave a lot of CBD. Maybe someone knows.

 

[CCL4 huffer]

could work just needs a little heating in smt like anh tolulene while under like sieves and a inert atmosphere mayby try that if that dont work just adjust ratio still not the best method tho

 

[mycelium]

Oh you're using clay, okay, still gotta distill afterwards

 

[fiendmaster]

Okay so atp I have these two procedures and a couple of questions.

Supplies: CBD isolate, granulated catalyzatyor (A4 Zeolite alt. Amberlyst 15) or acid (pTSA, H2SO4, Citric), heavier than air gas (CO2 alt. Argon)

A:
1. Mix CBD isolate and catalyzator 1:2 by weight (for Zeolite) in a sealable airtight heat safe container.
2. Replace air with heavier than air gas and seal the container.
3. Heat (in oven) at 130C until conversion is complete.
5. Mix everything and then mix with solvent (ethanol).
4. Filter out catalyzator.
5. (Distill) Heat and stir the sollution at 80C for at least 6 hours until all solvent is evaporated.

B:
1. Mix CBD isolate, catalyzator (citric acid) and solvent (ethanol).
2. Heat and stir the at 130C until converted.
3. Neutralize the acid.
4. (Distill) Heat and stir the sollution at 80C at 80C for at least 6 hours until all solvent is evaporated .

Questions:
A.
1. What would the ratio be for Amberlyst 15?
3. How can I calculate the time required for most delta-9.

B
2. Again how can I calculate the time?
3. Is neutralizing the acid enough to make the product safe? I assume there will be just trace amounts because most of it is gonna evaporate.

Is there any mistakes in this?
Would using food grade acid in B allow me to skip the neutralizaton process?

 

[rotovap5002]

You always have to run an spd to make it safe to smoke. With zeolite you can comsume it orally but not smoke it without spd

 

[fiendmaster]

I see thanks

 

[rotovap5002]

Heptane or dcm 1/1 cbd isolate, 7.5% ptsa, stir for 1 hour at room temperature.
Water wash
Bicarb solution wash
Salt was
Water wash
Evaporate solvent
Get 84% d8 distillate.

 

[Blammo]

Might as well just buy concentrate of delta 8. Can get a kilo of comcentrate shipped to your door for about 800 to 1000, not even illegal.

Only applies to us

 

[rotovap5002]

Then if you are in the US you might as well buy a kilo of d9

 

[Blammo]

I dont think one can buy delta 9 concentrate by the kilo like delta 8 or other cannabinoids, at least legally and easily.

You can literally google delta 8 concentrate and legal clear net sites will ship if no issues. I haven't found any places online, clear net and legal, that do so for delta 9.

 

[rotovap5002]

Kush.com used to have d9 distillate but now they dont seem to sell it anymore. Pretty strange

 

[fiendmaster]

Yeah, not US I would be trying to make it if I could buy it