Discussion: Amphetamine and Heroin

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Amphetamine and Heroin​

The combination of amphetamine and heroin is a special case of a combination of a stimulant and a depressant of the central nervous system. This is one of the combinations that has real risks to health and life, and at the same time promises the risker an unforgettable experience.

This type of combinations has its own mythology, its own heroes and its own name - speedball. Classic speedball is a combination of cocaine and morphine, but this term can also be used for a combination of amphetamine and heroin.

Combination of stimulant and depressant often give stronger effects than either drug when taken alone due to drug synergy, and are considered a particularly hazardous mixture that can easily cause heart attack, respiratory arrest and death.

The synergy of substances is a double-edged blade. On the one hand, it causes a strong rush of pleasure and euphoria, sums up the effects of two substances, but without a feeling of anxiety, numbness and other subjective disadvantages. And on the other hand, it poses a great danger due to cross-interaction, when the stimulating effect of amphetamine causes the body to use more oxygen, allowing it to take higher doses of opioid, while the depressing effect of heroin slows down the respiratory rate.

The greatest danger lies, as always, in individual tolerance, subjective feelings and non-compliance with dosages. This substances in combination can temporarily hide the effect of each other. A person feels not just good, but very very good, and this spurs him to raise the stakes in a new round.

Such a scenario can cause serious complications from the cardiovascular and respiratory systems. Suppressing the typical negative side effects of the two drugs, the user may mistakenly believe that he or she has a higher tolerance or that he is less intoxicated than it really is. This can lead to an incorrect assessment of the dose of one or both drugs, which will lead to a fatal overdose.

When it comes to classic speedball, the risks are very high due to a very short period of action of cocaine, then the combination with amphetamine somewhat reduces the danger - its effects last longer. Nevertheless, the risks to health, breathing and life do not tend to zero and still loom on the horizon.

But even if a person tolerates this combination well, knows how and can control the dosage of substances, always remembers that sensations can deceive, the dangers do not end there. Over time, the combination of amphetamine and heroin (speedball in the broad sense) can create a powerful cross-dependence with severe withdrawal, relapses and eventually overdose. This is a road that leads in one direction.

For those who still intend to try this combination, I can advise a good rule that is suitable for all combinations, especially at the risk of life.

Use half of the normal dose of each substance.

Also, do not take both substances at once. Here we turn to the question of priority, which is quite individual. The collected information shows that the following scheme can give a good experience: heroin - 1-2 hours - amphetamine.

The best route of administration also remains an open question, since intravenous injections carry great risks, but also the strongest experiences, and snorting can give a little more safety, but increase the consumption of substances and downgrade the experience.

 

[Manisj@1290]

Which combination should be given to people addicted to heroine for amphetamine addiction, so that they can leave heroin and start taking amphetamine?

 

[Paracelsus]

Which combination should be given to people addicted to heroine for amphetamine addiction, so that they can leave heroin and start taking amphetamine?

Manisj@1290I hope I misunderstood you. Are you asking what should be given to people with opioid addiction in order for them to develop amphetamine addiction?

 

[Manisj@1290]

You understand, I want to buy and sell Amphetamine, but no one here has ever used amphetamine or cocaine before, I want to know whether Amphetamine will work on people who use heroine(Brown Sugar or Smack) or not.

 

[Paracelsus]

You understand, I want to buy and sell Amphetamine, but no one here has ever used amphetamine or cocaine before, I want to know whether Amphetamine will work on people who use heroine(Brown Sugar or Smack) or not.

Manisj@1290Amphetamines and opiates act on different types of receptors and initiate different processes. They will work, but people will not forget about opiates if they are already addicted to them. Based on experience, people who use opiates and start using stimulants increase risks of fatal complications by combining these substances whenever possible. Also, obviously, there will be a high risk of developing double-addiction. Which will have a bad effect on the local population.

 

[Manisj@1290]

Amphetamines and opiates act on different types of receptors and initiate different processes. They will work, but people will not forget about opiates if they are already addicted to them. Based on experience, people who use opiates and start using stimulants increase riskы of fatal complications by combining these substances whenever possible. Also, obviously, there will be a high risk of developing double-addiction. Which will have a bad effect on the local population.

ParacelsusSo should I consider buying or making amphetamine or not because here people consume smack because there is never any use of Stimulants here.

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

So should I consider buying or making amphetamine or not because here people consume smack because there is never any use of Stimulants here.

Manisj@1290It is up to you. You can choose to provide a service that would otherwise be unavailable, but that is not a guarantee that you are going to have any customers. If people are not using any stimulants, but are using heroin, that does not necessarily mean that they would consume stimulants if they were available. Perhaps there just isn't a demand. If you want to make money, why don't you just get a job? Maybe you could start playing video games on twitch - that seems to be how all the young people make a living now a days...

 

[Paracelsus]

So should I consider buying or making amphetamine or not because here people consume smack because there is never any use of Stimulants here.

Manisj@1290You have to answer this question by yourself. I suggest sticking to the topic set out in this section - the combination of substances. Pay attention to the posts of users with experience just below.

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

Yes, it is "going to work". Not the way you are thinking, however. Amphetamines or cocaine will not satisfy an opiate addiction. Opiates versus cocaine or amphetamines are different things entirely. Chances are that they will not change one addiction for another. They will just be adding another addiction to their list of problems. You will need to provide an opiate to satisfy their addiction.

 

[tetr00]

So.. What, you're going to create demand where there is none at all, twice? These substances have completely different clientele groups. Honestly what you're suggesting is pretty hopeless. I guess you could get bunch of people hooked on heroin by giving them a bunch of it and then start selling it to them, just know that if there is a hell you would 100% go there. You're better off finding something else to sell if you ask me. Psychedelics are mostly rather safe and are getting pretty popular and there are quite a lot of them out there that are worth checking out.

I actually did IV this combo daily for years. The last couple of years I switched from amph to meth and sometimes oxy, morphine, fent or whatever was used instead of H but its all essentially the same. Amphetamines and opioids definitely have synergy but if youre on a low dose of one and then add the other or if youre on a proper dose of one and then add a small dose of the other, they can ower-power one another.
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It can be a pretty dangerous combination to mess with if you don't know what you're doing. High doses of stimulants can help you use more opioids without falling asleep (not very consistently if you ask me), so overdose becomes more likely.

And of course, cocaine and opioids are a much more dangerous combination. Its called speed balling.

 

[Emeliaa]

When SWIM was heavy i.v. user and was injecting speedball(heroin+crack) many times a day, every single day, for good number of years, he used to wake up dope sick in the morning and if he had only heroin on him, he wouldn`t shoot it up to get better, even if he`s very dope sick, he wouldn`t. He would go and make money, hustle and do everything necessary untill he wouldn`t get his second speedball ingredient - crack, so he can mix it up and only then shoot it up his veins. Sometimes he would shoot up crack only, but never heroin only. It seemed useless and waste of the dope then.

 

[Paracelsus]

When SWIM was heavy i.v. user and was injecting speedball(heroin+crack) many times a day, every single day, for good number of years, he used to wake up dope sick in the morning and if he had only heroin on him, he wouldn`t shoot it up to get better, even if he`s very dope sick, he wouldn`t. He would go and make money, hustle and do everything necessary untill he wouldn`t get his second speedball ingredient - crack, so he can mix it up and only then shoot it up his veins. Sometimes he would shoot up crack only, but never heroin only. It seemed useless and waste of the dope then.

EmeliaaWhat you are describing demonstrates the all-consuming power of this dangerous combination, which easily leads to an equally dangerous combo-addiction. Given the danger of the ingredients, everyone who was able to overcome this part of the way is entitled to a second birthday.