Fentanyl Synthesis

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You can also synthesize NPP by reacting phenethylamine with 2 moles of methylacrylate.
 

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I’ve seen the cartels do this in a T-shirt with no respirator in a barrel with a stick….
 

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I’ve seen the cartels do this in a T-shirt with no respirator in a barrel with a stick….
The-HiveYes its a nice show they put up for the clowns from VICE and US TV in general. It is not real of course, the myth of F being produced by hundreds of small manufacturers stirring in sheds in some old pots with 50 kg of F in bags just sitting in at the wall, come on, reality check. The cartels would have to supply the precursors and to take off the product for trafficing and sale. Why should they outsource the production when they can just grab some people off the road and force them to do it for being allowed to stay alive? The methods are probably almost realistic, the scale is not, of course they run superlabs for this and the whole story with the many small producers is just deception after they got their meth superlabs raided too often.

So, whats happening? Mexico makes not much Crystal Meth anymore just some razemic meth cut with N-ISO. All the real d.Meth comes from China and bordering countries where the Triads have buildt up massive production capacities but they cannot sell much in China anymore and the other SE countries are cracking down hard too. So instead of selling precursors for Meth to Mexico they sell the product directly and everybody is happy. F though they cannot produce and sell from China to Mexico say the US, thats political and as the Triads and the Chinese Communist Party are tightly interwoven in some regions of South China they made a deal: Precursors for F superlabs and d.Meth directly. Cartels happy as the got rid of the tedious Methlabs and have only to run the much more compact F labs and the Chinese as they still make money and more having F produced cheap and sold to the US of course takes away the traditional source of black money from the CIA, they depend since ages on the Heroin trade for their black ops and that just dried out.
I though can congratulate the wise Chinese leaders for this genius plot to defund the CIA. At least somebody is really caring about the world it seems ;)
 
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Yes its a nice show they put up for the clowns from VICE and US TV in general. It is not real of course, the myth of F being produced by hundreds of small manufacturers stirring in sheds in some old pots with 50 kg of F in bags just sitting in at the wall, come on, reality check. The cartels would have to supply the precursors and to take off the product for trafficing and sale. Why should they outsource the production when they can just grab some people off the road and force them to do it for being allowed to stay alive? The methods are probably almost realistic, the scale is not, of course they run superlabs for this and the whole story with the many small producers is just deception after they got their meth superlabs raided too often.

So, whats happening? Mexico makes not much Crystal Meth anymore just some razemic meth cut with N-ISO. All the real d.Meth comes from China and bordering countries where the Triads have buildt up massive production capacities but they cannot sell much in China anymore and the other SE countries are cracking down hard too. So instead of selling precursors for Meth to Mexico they sell the product directly and everybody is happy. F though they cannot produce and sell from China to Mexico say the US, thats political and as the Triads and the Chinese Communist Party are tightly interwoven in some regions of South China they made a deal: Precursors for F superlabs and d.Meth directly. Cartels happy as the got rid of the tedious Methlabs and have only to run the much more compact F labs and the Chinese as they still make money and more having F produced cheap and sold to the US of course takes away the traditional source of black money from the CIA, they depend since ages on the Heroin trade for their black ops and that just dried out.
I though can congratulate the wise Chinese leaders for this genius plot to defund the CIA. At least somebody is really caring about the world it seems ;)
OrgUnikumYou seem like you know your shit, is there any way to make good fent in a simple way and if not then what's the simplest way to make good quality fent? The mexicans make it look so easy.
 

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You seem like you know your shit, is there any way to make good fent in a simple way and if not then what's the simplest way to make good quality fent? The mexicans make it look so easy.
The_Real_Gus_FringFirst: You do not make plain F as thats a shitty drug for recreational purposes. China White was/is not plain Fentanyl but it always was a derivative - similar but not identical for exactly this reason. There are variations where the propionylchloride was replaced by another acid chloride which are far superior, somewhat longer acting, much more euphoria with somewhat reduced strength. This also eliminates the dangers which are always involved in sourcing the highly watched propionylchloride.
And you have to either source NPP, thats the compound with the first step of the standard synthesis already done, or at least start with Piperidone which is protected but not benzylated at the 4- position, the =O .
This way the known synths will work.
Knowledge of laboratory practice is necessary, if you do not have it, find somebody who has it. Laboratory technicians or assistants are far more useful then actual chemists.

The Mexican Fent is crap, very low quality. Its cheap yes. You must not believe the show they put up for idiots from VICE or other US TV stations, thats fake, there are not hundreds of small business operations making Fent, the cartels are making it in big "labs" like they did with Meth. "Superlabs" the DEA likes to call them. Just they learned from the big Meth labs that its not wise to create such targets and so they are spreading the fairy tale of the many small operations. What obviously makes no sense whatsoever as why let people make money you can make yourself for next to nothing by using forced labor? In special as the import of precursors is already controlled and transport and sales also? Why put an intermediate step into the hands of hundreds of small manufacturers? Utter bullshit.
 

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Yes its a nice show they put up for the clowns from VICE and US TV in general. It is not real of course, the myth of F being produced by hundreds of small manufacturers stirring in sheds in some old pots with 50 kg of F in bags just sitting in at the wall, come on, reality check. The cartels would have to supply the precursors and to take off the product for trafficing and sale. Why should they outsource the production when they can just grab some people off the road and force them to do it for being allowed to stay alive? The methods are probably almost realistic, the scale is not, of course they run superlabs for this and the whole story with the many small producers is just deception after they got their meth superlabs raided too often.

So, whats happening? Mexico makes not much Crystal Meth anymore just some razemic meth cut with N-ISO. All the real d.Meth comes from China and bordering countries where the Triads have buildt up massive production capacities but they cannot sell much in China anymore and the other SE countries are cracking down hard too. So instead of selling precursors for Meth to Mexico they sell the product directly and everybody is happy. F though they cannot produce and sell from China to Mexico say the US, thats political and as the Triads and the Chinese Communist Party are tightly interwoven in some regions of South China they made a deal: Precursors for F superlabs and d.Meth directly. Cartels happy as the got rid of the tedious Methlabs and have only to run the much more compact F labs and the Chinese as they still make money and more having F produced cheap and sold to the US of course takes away the traditional source of black money from the CIA, they depend since ages on the Heroin trade for their black ops and that just dried out.
I though can congratulate the wise Chinese leaders for this genius plot to defund the CIA. At least somebody is really caring about the world it seems ;)
OrgUnikumYou do not know what you say.
In Mexico, Chinese precursors are not needed to manufacture meth.
We have everything to manufacture it.
And it is made in chemical plants, and they have been obtaining the D isomer for years, everything is an industrialized process.
Production costs are so low that transporting it from China is more expensive than manufacturing it. And it would be absurd to adulterate such a cheap product.
 

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I just know it’s a huge amount and people have died from the package itself.
 

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I just know it’s a huge amount and people have died from the package itself.
HerrHaberYou got any trustworthy source for such a statement? As I think thats like the policemen dropping into comas when just looking at something what might be F, propaganda. Like it is "scientific proven" that 1 mg per kg bodyweight resembles a deadly dose of Amphetamine. See Wikipedia and the article they name for this bullshit.

So yes its dangerous but so are many things we work with. I think so its not possible to scare people off, it never worked. why not more constructive like telling people that they must use a glovebox when handling this and much more so when handling Car-F what should never be distributed in pure form anyways. And some tips and links on how easy it actually is to make such a box complete with underpressure and HEPA filter plus an Ozone generator inside to get rid of all what might have remained.

Just my 2 Cents (€ Cents of course)
 

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What else you know?
 

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whose got samples of this bc dope now a days doesnt hit because to many ppl putting fent in dope.. even though i love it lol
 

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Good afternoon, is there a person who could help me how to synthesize 4-piperidone, I found information that it can be synthesized from formaldehyde, acetone and ammonia at 60 degrees Celsius in 6 hours, I did it but it only changes the solution to orange color, No solid was ever precipitated. Anyone who can help me with this synthesis would appreciate it.
 

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@novato240801, plain piperidone, i.e. in the form of secondary amine doesn't exist, moreover your synthesis cannot produce even tertiary amine piperidone because its suitable only for 3- and/or 3,5-disubstituted piperidones, wich means you have to use ketone with single acidic proton.
But the good news for you is that if you just want to make fentanyl, you can skip the preparation of piperidone monohydrate hcl, just start from making NPP or by other routes.
 

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Yea that's what they say but benzos are not water soluble and smoking benzos is absurd maybe it's a synthetic version that can be smokeable but mainly the over doses that has happen because they find small traces of carfentanil. The media doesn't like to admit that information until later on when the data proves the evidence that most all OD cases in high numbers in short periods and in a certain city concludes that it was carfentanil. Now the benzos thing I tried it with various different types of benzo and it didn't work or burn correctly maybe it's tranq that people are mistaken it for
 
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