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As I prepare to take the helm of this corner of the forum. I want to compile some lists and gather some information about the state of the drug market here in the United States. I'm interested in the history, logistics, etiquette, ethics, I want to know all about it. Importation export. If you have a story to tell about an experience you've had relating to the online drug market, this thread is your outlet to divulge it. If you would prefer to remain anonymous you can message me and I'll add it. If you want to share information on the topic of the US online drug market, rants, reviews, lamentations, let's talk about it!
The world she is a changing and Americans must also adapt to new challenges if we hope to remain pertinent in the future.
 

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Hi, just want to put in my two cents. Using BB Forum is assumed to be anonymous. We do not request any data about your personality, don't store any data (messages are automatically deleted in 90 days), even don't ask your e-mail.
 

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Alles klar, herr komissar? :cool:
I have a tendency not to divulge too much information until I am prompted in the right manner, then I might not be able to shut up depending on my mood. A questionaire might help in getting the answers you are looking for from individuals such as myself. Let me know if I may be of service. o7
 

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Also, something to maybe add is what region of these United States your story takes place in. Obviously not your home address but I've traveled alot and lived throughout a pretty big chunk of this country and there are some MAJOR differences in the way LE does their job and/or how they treat different substances compared too another! Or even society in generals views or feelings on drug culture. For example the Pacific Northwest is pretty laid back say compared to Wyoming or Chicago.
I don't know, just a thought.
 

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The question everyone really wants to know is.. Where is the suzy !?
 

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Suzy? I've know plenty about "Tina", "Molly", and even "Paris Hilton"/ "Lindsey Lohan", but this is the first I've heard anyone ask the whereabouts of "Suzy"?! Tell me more, what sort of gal is she? Laidf back, or life of the party?
 

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Well, you could say suzy and tina are related. Ideally we want to reduce suzy into tina. Suzy on her own is regulated in the US as a nasal decongestant. I do love my tina though. I'm in the north east so it's harder to come by here.
And by the way.... "I got that Archie Bunker" 🤣
 

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I first began looking into Research Chemicals in 2013 and the biggest change that I have seen hit the market are the the banning of the most popular chems in each class which has led to a blurring of the line between: illegal items only on the DNMs to many vendors on the clear net having a mix of the 2. Mass bans across the world and the crazy increase in scrutiny for any EU (Specifically NL) packages destined for the states has really wiped that market out. It's a shame as the possibilities were seemingly endless and the variety available to most consumers had something for everyone.
 

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Are substances banned in the United States by chemical class or pharmacological action? Is there a difference in criminal liability for classical substances and their analogues?
 

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There's an analogs act at the federal level and the states vary but many of them also have analog addendum. There's no difference at the federal level for analogs, but interestingly only schedule 1 and 2 drugs fail under the jurisdiction of the analog act (as I recall) so drugs with no medical use and a high potential for abuse and drugs that are prescribed with a high potential for abuse. Cocaine is a perfect representation of schedule 2, it's never prescribed and very rarely used in a surgical setting but is still a lower crime than LSD. Marijuana used to be schedule 1, the most dangerous of drugs! Here is the basic law

A) Except as provided in subparagraph (C), the term controlled substance analogue means a substance -
  • (i) the chemical structure of which is substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;
  • (ii) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II; or
  • (iii) with respect to a particular person, which such person represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II.
As written it's been ruled AET is NOT an analog of DMT or DET because it is a primary amine , but in some states 1,4 butadiol IS an analog of BHT but in other states it is not.
 

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I was going to post this into another thread, but it seems to fit here OK... maybe it is worth something or helps elaborate. Left a little after thought on the end.

Depending on the exact definition of the "analog act" ... is this true - that only schedule I and II substances fall under this legislation?
Or does it mean, rather, that any analog, no matter the parent, becomes either I or II. For example, ketamine analogs should be prosecuted as ketamine would be, as schedule III, you would think. However, I see Methoxetamine listed under schedule I as of 6/6/22. The guideline being: high potential for abuse and addiction, no accepted medical use. It is interesting to see all the 'ketamine assisted therapy' ads when searching. I didn't realize that was such a popular (and accepted) thing. Yet the analog skipped a step and cannot possibly be used therapeutically. I love how most of the benzo family is schedule IV also. 'Low(er) potential for addiction' ...Yeah good call...

I would like to think it is NOT true. All signs seem to point to yes though. I think there is a bit of wiggle room as far as everything in general, after all, I did over 2 years in prison for selling some kind of a cathinone or mda analog to a narc about 10 years ago. Fortunately, whatever I got caught with, "ethylone" is a schedule I substance. Keep in mind though, this is on the federal level. This is where that grey area is. I was charged on the state level, where I pleaded out to trafficking a "class C substance". What made it considered 'trafficking' was the quantity involved. I can't seem to find the guidelines but I believe it has to be over 20 grams or something in my state, for it to be considered trafficking of class c.

https://www.justcriminallaw.com/drug-charges/2018/05/23/differences-state-federal-drug-crimes/
Not my state, but they do a little explaining here. It is a good thing I didn't get mixed up with the feds because my ethylone may as well have been fentanyl to them.
As schedule I, I would have been looking at a whole different situation if that were the case.

This should be food for thought for most of us though, I think, atleast in the USA. If you get caught fucking around with the mail, guess what? Fed time. Doing things over state lines? Fed time. Some of us, depending on what we're doing, we might want to reconsider our actions and reevaluate the game plan. This is why stealth and opsec are so important. If everything goes down just the right way, a package might end up costing you the rest of your freedom in this lifetime. Or even something as stupid as missing your exit on the freeway, and you ended up over state lines on accident. Say you lived in the tri-state area (NY/NJ/CT) for example (it really is that easy to end up in another state without trying in that area, anyway..). You were on your way to drop off a package and some kid crashed into you, now what? You had two pounds of a research chemical in your trunk and got rear ended, straight slammed!, and now the product.. it looks like rock salt, or meth, is all over the place, on the street, in your trunk, etc. Witnesses everywhere, can't run, can't conceal anything, can't do shit. What might have been maybe a 3 year sentence max on state level, has now turned into 15 years minimum mandatory federal, where they count sentences in months. 15 years... or 180 months... This is, of course, a hypothetical situation, but this type of shit happens more than we know. Remember, we have to be completely right every time. 'The Man' only needs to be half way right and a little lucky, or dirty and manipulative, just once.
 

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The topic of the legality of substances requires a mandatory separate discussion. Despite the fact that there have been very few such substances lately, they still exist. For example, synthetic cannabinoids can have infinitely many options, as well as opiates and dissociatives. This is a matter of our biology, and most substances have not yet been discovered. J.W. Huffman has shown the world that there may be new classes of substances. Let's move on to a separate topic.
 

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Hi Frit, I'm here to learn, participate and help in any way I can. Don't ever hesitate to reach out or task me with something to make our little USA corner of this fabulous site something extra special.
 

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I will PM you later about my area and some matters of possible interest including but not limited to great potential opportunity for dead drops, storage, cleaning, among other things because the location is full of opportuniy for the right things in the right places for the right people and I would say about 99%, if not 100% of this could be looked into and potentially incorporated into pre-existing networks which could well decrease certain risks and open up possible business opportunities in areas that are typically considered insignificant without the need of revealing personal information that might compromise anyones anonymity.
 

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There's at least one dealer on here who runs a network. You order from him and depending on what you bought, your package arrives from several different states and I assume different people. Doing it like that, he's the firewall. The dealers don't even make an ad and probably don't even have an account. The guy takes the order, forwards the details, and collects the money. He might not even have any drugs in his possession and (I'm assuming) took a note from the FBI and forwards the details in the chat of an online game or a shared google doc that gets constantly edited but never published
 

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Interesting data to have, though this is a year old.
 
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