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Can buyers withdraw funds they have transferred into Bazaar?
 

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I was wrong I guess your funds are stuck.
 

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At the moment, withdrawals for buyers are disabled as part of our measures to combat phishing. We apologize for the inconvenience and are working on a compromise between convenience and the security of your funds
 

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PWishing? You don't trust users with their own money? Forgive me for saying this looks like a perfect set up for an exit.
 
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What did you smoke to come to that conclusion?

Market wallet is made to exchange money between users, deposit the amount that needs to be paid and vendor withdraw the fund when the deal is done. Plain and simple. Please go back to dread, people like you are just noise to the real drug trade network.
 

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The first thing that goes when a market exits is withdraws. This happens everytime. I don't see why people couldn't withdraw funds. It doesnt make sense. If they get phished its the buyers own fault

Markets end in one of 2 ways in their short lives. They are seized or they exit. Minus the very few that have retired (they almost never retire so people can get their money out)
 

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This market just started and the limitation on withdrawal is on the buyer side, deposit, buy and get high. How is it hard to understand?
 

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A slightly illogical statement. Withdrawal of funds for buyers has been disabled since the launch of Bazaar, and this is stated in the rules, clause 1.3.
But thanks to you, yesterday I added a checkbox for agreeing to the rules during registration. However, this is already an extreme measure, since it is reasonable to familiarize yourself with the market rules before using it. Especially since they are quite justified
 

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IIt doesnt make sense because no other markets do this. The reasoning is to prevent phishing? I think thats ridiculous. If you don't know how to prevent your money from being phished, then maybe you should be phished to learn how to prevent it. Idk it just seems so weird for a market to hold buyer coins like that
 

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Why do that though? Why make it so you cant get your coins back if something happens or you change your mind? It cant really be because of phishing
 

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Let me say it again. We are not a wallet for storing funds! If you want to buy a product - get the money and spend it! We absolutely do not need your money! And I repeat, this is stated in the rules!
 

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Why should buyers withdraw funds? Deposit only as much as you need for the current purchase. Bazaar is not a wallet for storing coins.
And only phishers need to withdraw funds.
There are no withdrawal limits for stores.
 

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A planned deal may not move forward for a number of reasons and the buyer may want to withdraw the funds back, here's a few:

- a last-minute change of buyer's situation, personal/family emergency etc, and the funds are needed elsewhere, an order is not made at all
- the goods is no longer in stock in the demanded quantity and the ad has not been updated/hidden yet, resulting in a cancelled order
- the circumstances on the seller's side have changed and the mode of shipping required by the buyer is temporarily not available, resulting in a cancelled order (this happened to me once)

I advocate for Bazaar customers to be able to withdraw their funds. To some users having their funds locked in with no option to withdraw may have the same effect as losing the funds completely, at least in the short term.

I do not understand the remark "only phishers need to withdraw funds", could you please elaborate on the script that phishers use and how they exploit the withdrawals? Thank you.
 
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Excellent. Yes why would you not let buyers have control of their money
 

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Because this is not self-custody wallet. This place is made for trade, not to stack your coins and make a withdraw. Without forgetting that plenty of market in the past have been hacked and made duplicate withdrawal,... thus making this choice a layer for the security of your funds.
 

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You should be smart enough to not get phished, and you should have control of your coins if for any reason your original transaction is not completed. All other markets allow buyers to withdraw their coins. I think most people would like to have the option to withdraw their money, just like how every other market does it
 

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This is not your typical marketplace, this is the new rome. If you don't like innovation, there's probably a Silk Road 21 around the corner.
 

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An innovation is being able to not withdraw your money? It seems closer to an exit then a new Rome.

There just isn't a good reason to do this unless you want buyers to be nervous. All exits start with disabling withdraws. They wouldn't need to do this if it wasn't allowed to start with. I think if this is actually to try and prevent your buyers from being phished.... well you dont think your customers are smart enough to take care of their own money
 

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I would like to kindly ask the Bazaar team to revisit the matter with a bit more empathy. Real life creates many unanticipated situations and I've tried to describe a few in comment #270 of this thread.

Something as simple as low stock on the seller's part can leave a buyer wanting to withdraw funds from Bazaar. Imagine I want to order 100 g of K but the seller is down to the last 50 g and cannot ship the order, so they cancel it. Without other offers for the same price and in the same geographical region (so I avoid external EU customs) I may want to withdraw the funds from Bazaar to BB and buy some precursor instead.

On BB a pre-agreed deal didn't complete because the seller was too busy and did not respond for two weeks to the escrow process, so the deal got cancelled. This stuff happens, life is unpredictable. I moved my funds to Bazaar and made a deal there. I don't understand why it's not allowed to withdraw from Bazaar. It does not feel like any kind of protection to me and the justification about phishers looks superficial and lacks proper explanation.
 

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And we approach this issue with empathy. As I wrote above #262 , I am looking for a balanced solution
 

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well, the 30Euro to message a seller is good. In my opinion, a withdraw should be offered with a clause maybe of something like this: After 2 weeks please confirm withdraw to continue.
Just an alternative idea to the last messages.

I dont like and almost decided to fuck it the 24 hour window to pay a invoice. It is not clear and I had a seller make a invoice for me almost 5 times.

Majority of people don't contribute their problems and I can imagine many people give up with the website because of this, but I have my time invested here, and I decided that I will continue investing a little here and there. Actually, I want to invest all of my time because I have the time for it. I need a budget for material to flyer the city and clubs.

Telegram Bazaar Poland is dead, that needs make over I could invest my time in
 
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I didn't understand the essence of your problem. Could you describe it in detail? As for other people, if they encounter any issues, they should contact the support service, not the forum. If there are any problems or usability issues with the market, we try to solve them, not ignore them
 
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