5fadb or 5cl?
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Our engineer said 5f will be a little stronger than 5cl. But from cooking, 5cl is super easy to cook. For 5f cooking, it is hard to control the temperature.
So most customers of us will choose to buy 5cl precursor to cook.
So most customers of us will choose to buy 5cl precursor to cook.
My brother, I've seen people incorrectly passing on the message that the synthesis of 5F will be harder, so I have to reply here that the synthesis process is the same and 5F is stronger!
- By Eve5586
Are you serious? Even though the main powder is same for both 5f and 5cl, but the auxiliary materials are not same. ARE YOU SURE THE COOKING PROCESS IS SAME? Show us yr proof please.
- By flyrc
My friend, all I can tell you is that if you don't know the specifics of the product synthesis process, please don't post misleading statements, both 5F and 5C are synthesized by my customers almost every day, and as for your comment about synthesizing 5F being more difficult, and synthesizing 5F temperatures being difficult to control, I think it's absolutely unprofessional!
The difference between 5C and 5F is that the bromine used is different, the synthesis and reaction process is the same, and there is no such unprofessional claim that the temperature is more difficult to control, A small point of knowledge, if you want to know the strength of a product, you can check the EC50 value of the product as well as the affinity data of the CB1/2
Let me briefly describe this synthesis process, I don't think anyone would find 5F more difficult if they used our precursors and methods, as many of my customers in the forum can attest.
The bromine used in the synthesis of 5C is 5-bromo-1-pentene, and 5F uses 1-bromo-5-fluoropentane, which does not cause difficulties in the synthesis!
If a supplier tells you that a certain NOIDS synthesis is difficult, then you can come to us, in this field we can customize the production of any NOIDS precursor and synthesis solution for you! Success is absolutely guaranteed and failure is fully refundable!
The bromine used in the synthesis of 5C is 5-bromo-1-pentene, and 5F uses 1-bromo-5-fluoropentane, which does not cause difficulties in the synthesis!
If a supplier tells you that a certain NOIDS synthesis is difficult, then you can come to us, in this field we can customize the production of any NOIDS precursor and synthesis solution for you! Success is absolutely guaranteed and failure is fully refundable!
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Interesting, and what would the reccomend dosage of 5f would be to get a similar high as regular cannabis and not go into zombie mode?
- By flyrc
Paper? Spices? Liquid?
It depends on the customer group, like I said you can compare their EC50 values and receptor affinity data to judge the dosage of other products based on one product, but I can't talk too much about end-products because of individual differences and some legal reasons.
It depends on the customer group, like I said you can compare their EC50 values and receptor affinity data to judge the dosage of other products based on one product, but I can't talk too much about end-products because of individual differences and some legal reasons.
- By rotovap5002
For spice.
Do you know how much more potent it is than delta9 for example? That would help Estimate an accurate dosage
Do you know how much more potent it is than delta9 for example? That would help Estimate an accurate dosage
The data I have provided is based on some of the reports I can get hold of, and is for reference only, as the experimental data will vary somewhat depending on the assay methodology
5F is an indazole-based NIODS. it is a potent agonist at the CB 1 receptor ( EC50 = 0.52- 1.24nM) and completely replaced Δ 9 in rat discrimination studies, while being approximately15- 30-fold more potent.
5F is an indazole-based NIODS. it is a potent agonist at the CB 1 receptor ( EC50 = 0.52- 1.24nM) and completely replaced Δ 9 in rat discrimination studies, while being approximately15- 30-fold more potent.
Wikipedia list many of the nM:s. I will soon do a thread about the stongest cannabinoids based on the CB1:s nM-number by my simplicity: Less Tricky is More Informative; for starters. MDMB-CHMINACA are the godzilla of spice 
- By flyrc
True MDMB-CHMINACA is an oily product, which is theoretically good for spice production if it is acceptable to the people.
Ok so it is stronger, but stronger doesn't necessarily mean better. Any idea of the effects compared to 5f?
- By flyrc
I've gotten some feedback from customers who say it performs better
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- By flyrc
We don't use the products and don't know exactly how various products feel, it's like how one type of potato chip has different flavors, some people like barbecue flavor and some people like tomato flavor. There are always individual differences，I don't like it when people ask me what is the strongest product, in fact if you like tomato flavored chips you will feel that any other specialty chips are not to your liking, at this moment in time you only like that one, we can only analyze the strengths and weaknesses in terms of objective data, it doesn't represent subjective feelings. As for what customers need what products like what feeling, this is their freedom!
- By vis
Making a very diluted liquid is best for the strongest noids to make normal spice. I don't know how the experience except intoxication is, so until then other factors are irrelevant. The most giveback-noids (spare earth resources) by C1 value (if found on wikipedia) is MDMB-CHMINACA & HU-210. It is also a Horror House Fun to ingest pure (just a micro tad of; to be sure not to be downed like I am easily are). The Noids is a most plentiful chinese manufacture, it is pretty easy to import precursors and make a bloated fine spice of, and ready powder narcs is the easiest to buy in bulk with huge profit margin. If you make a spray to a strong but no danger spice (by slow smoke puffs) you got ~50 times the powder quantity to sell like top spice with few ODs.
These indazole ccoma killer Noids are just into fully pushing the receptors, no spectra more than teste a bit, not like Cannabis. These heavy Noids are like Fentanyl numbness, not heroin rush, although some claim the godzilla Carfentanil give strong euphoria also. Cannabinoids are more of a rude downer though chemically even if there are so many variants. So I simplify and say that Stronger is Better as that what users mostly care about. Streght of Mentioned (They are availible in pharma grade powders too) from indazoles Wikipedia:
5-CL-ADB-A is wrong name (there is none called 5CL, right is MDMB-4en-PINACA: CB1 [Ki] 0.28nM, EC50 of 1.88–2.47nM is 3x stronger than the infamous JWH-018 with CB1 9.00nM. The killing 5CL sold here at BB is pure damn strong in microdose (well made oil).
5F-ADB (5F-MDMB-PINACA) No wiki value. More deaths than 5CL. Stronger molecule than 5CL. Means less used for same stoning! Means alot when diluted 30 times to make Spice.
MDMB-CHMINACA (MDMB(N)-CHM) CB1 0.0944nM . MDMB-CHMICA: EC50 value of 0.14 nM. No wiki CB1. Weaker MDMB-FUBINACA CB1 1.14nM but still so many deaths and hospitalisation.
The most harmful and lethal OD Noids. BEWARE! CAUTION like 25I NBOMBS and 5meoDMT.
5-CL-ADB-A is wrong name (there is none called 5CL, right is MDMB-4en-PINACA: CB1 [Ki] 0.28nM, EC50 of 1.88–2.47nM is 3x stronger than the infamous JWH-018 with CB1 9.00nM. The killing 5CL sold here at BB is pure damn strong in microdose (well made oil).
5F-ADB (5F-MDMB-PINACA) No wiki value. More deaths than 5CL. Stronger molecule than 5CL. Means less used for same stoning! Means alot when diluted 30 times to make Spice.
MDMB-CHMINACA (MDMB(N)-CHM) CB1 0.0944nM . MDMB-CHMICA: EC50 value of 0.14 nM. No wiki CB1. Weaker MDMB-FUBINACA CB1 1.14nM but still so many deaths and hospitalisation.
The most harmful and lethal OD Noids. BEWARE! CAUTION like 25I NBOMBS and 5meoDMT.
Rare king?: HU-210 is 100 to 800 times more potent than natural THC from cannabis and has an extended duration of action. HU-210 has a binding affinity of 0.061nM at CB1 // CB2 0.52nM. True THC is Delta-9-THC with CB1 40.7nM. (wikipedia)
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