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Methamphetamine Isomers Separation by Tartaric Acid
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@G.Patton general, is it not more simple to use d-tartaric acid CAS No. 147-71-7 but in much more less molar proportions around 1 (base):0.2-0.5 (d-tartaric)? Exact proportions might be estimated with a simple test.
- By G.Patton
Yes, you can use d-tartaric acid CAS No. 147-71-7, but it's more expensive and some people don't have an access to this. The example is shown with the cheapest and the simplest option.
Atau y Or is this one? Please help these experts have tried the 4th time I got a failure.
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Atau y Or is this one? Please help these experts have tried the 4th time I got a failure.
There is clearly said what substance you have to use. What a problem do you have?
The main problem with this method is that one gets l-Meth, to be more precise one gets from slightly enriched l-Meth to predominantly l-Meth depending on how long one lets it crystallize out. The more time the more l-Meth is in the cristalline mass. When good stirring is employed the result will be even more l-meth in the crystals (in relation of course).
The good thing s that one gets pretty decent d-Meth fromm the mother liquor.
It does not matter if one uses l-tartaric or d-tartaric or d/l tartaric - it will always be l-Meth what crystallizes out most. It is completely different from Amphetamine btw. cannot be compared at all. I actually understood what is really going on only a short time ago and I fully understand why somebody might believe I am wrong, but well, I am not.
As I try not to criticize when I cannot offer an alternative, here it is:
7.84 g (0.0525 mol) racemic N-methylamphetamine and 9.73 g (0.0525 mol) racemic N-methylamphetamine hydrochloride were dissolved in 70 ml of abs. ethanol and 7.91 g (0.0525 mol) R,R tartaric acid (L-(+)-tartaric acid) in 56 ml of abs. ethanol.
Strong stirring for twenty two hours. room temperature, then the mixture is cooled in the fridge, the formed salt is filtered out and the mother liquor is worked up by A/B extraction and recrystallisation to yield almost exclusively d-Meth.
Its all in the literature. Just not in one place but a bit obfusicated.
Good luck
The good thing s that one gets pretty decent d-Meth fromm the mother liquor.
It does not matter if one uses l-tartaric or d-tartaric or d/l tartaric - it will always be l-Meth what crystallizes out most. It is completely different from Amphetamine btw. cannot be compared at all. I actually understood what is really going on only a short time ago and I fully understand why somebody might believe I am wrong, but well, I am not.
As I try not to criticize when I cannot offer an alternative, here it is:
7.84 g (0.0525 mol) racemic N-methylamphetamine and 9.73 g (0.0525 mol) racemic N-methylamphetamine hydrochloride were dissolved in 70 ml of abs. ethanol and 7.91 g (0.0525 mol) R,R tartaric acid (L-(+)-tartaric acid) in 56 ml of abs. ethanol.
Strong stirring for twenty two hours. room temperature, then the mixture is cooled in the fridge, the formed salt is filtered out and the mother liquor is worked up by A/B extraction and recrystallisation to yield almost exclusively d-Meth.
Its all in the literature. Just not in one place but a bit obfusicated.
Good luck
Can I use this tartaric acid? It's L(+)- tartaric acid. Seller said there 2 kinds of L tartaric acid. L (-) AND L(+). L(+) means dl tartaric acid.
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He fed you a crock of shit. A crockpot, full of poopoo. This is Detxtro-tartaric acid. Aka L+tartaric acid. The best name for it is 2R,3R-tartaric acid or just R,R-tartaric acid It is the natural form that you get from wine. You can use it just fine. DL-tartaric acid, aka racemic acid is cas#133-37-9 Levotartaric acid, aka D-tartaric acid (best name 2S,3S, or S,S) is cas# 147-71-7
How would the procedure differ if you had bought racemic cartel dope on the streets and want to separate isomers.i just got d,l tartaric acid I have all the reagents and just got a hot plate/magnetic stirrer. Would you just skip the first steam distillation step and go straight into freebasing and then adding the tartaric and ethanol? I got the ethanol from hand sanitizer and leeched out the glycerin with salt.it was already 70 percent so it should be at least 88 now. And when I'm precipitating the hcl salt does it not snow right away like a regular gas session. Do you just gas it then wait for it to precipitate I don't understand that part.
could you separate dex/levo amphetamine with tartaric acid first and then from the dex amphetamine create dex methamphetamine or would this not be advised?
