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Noh, mis on teada, Dragon Eric (jah, see, kes "pöördus hiljem petturiks" / pikk lugu ilmselt kontod võeti üle bla bla bla bla...) ja teised suured Hiina tarnijad, ei tarninud kunagi puhast 4mmc, see oli segu.

Ma mäletan, et lugesin postitust eri hive, kus Eric ilmselt kogemata (või tahtlikult) jagas mõningaid andmeid, mis kustutati kiiresti. Märkides proportsioonid 70/20/10 ja 80/20. Sellest ajast peale oli lihtsalt pidev arutelu sellel teemal. Ma ei mäleta peast, mis see täpselt oli. Võin proovida otsida vana vestluse üles, kui see kedagi aitab.

kui keegi mäletab, siis nad müüsid kunagi verity'd Eric1 Eric2 Eric3 😂🤣 "sama" aga veidi erinev.

ka ilmselt "Eric valem" oli müügil väga järsu hinnaga mõned aastad tagasi ei ole kindel, kas see oli tõeline või lihtsalt teine scammer.
 

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olen ka näinud, et keegi on öelnud, et 4mmc Hiinast ei olnud puhas, väidetavalt oli see segatud 3mmc-ga, kuid mul ei ole allikat, mis seda toetaks.

kuid see kontrolliks, kui nüüd midagi ei saa hiina mefedrooni võita, ma ei ole keemik, kuid mis on nüüd nii erinev kui varem?

nüüd saab teha super kvaliteetset toodet nagu varemgi, ma arvan, et
 

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Oldcool 4MMC on segu 3/4MMC-st, kuid tegelikult leian, et inimesed eelistavad 3MMC-d, sest inimesed tahavad rohkem stimuleerivat tunnet kui puhta mephi kiiret rahulikku mõju, samuti näen, et mõned inimesed otsivad õpetajat im ex keemik, kellel on palju kogemusi, kui keegi on intrested võib PM mulle
 

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ma olen ka seda infot kuskil näinud, aga kas 3mmc ei ole see kiirem? 4mmc on palju rohkem stiimuleid, kuigi ei ole kiirem
 

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3mmc on rohkem nagu met, samas kui 4mmc on rohkem nagu mdma
 

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Esitasin laborisse proovi mõnest hiljutisest isetehtud mefedroonist ja see tuli välja 93%, mis viitab kõrgemale puhtusele kui kaubanduslik preban proov .

Nii et nüüd olen veelgi enam segaduses, kuna see maitseb nii pehme, ei ole kurguhitt, mõju on väiksem. Ma vahetaksin kõhklematult 1 kg 250g vastu (jah, nii suur vahe)

Kuigi tõesti, võiks arvata, et molekul == molekul.

Ma peaaegu hakkan arvama, et palju otsitud efektid võivad olla tingitud lisanditest või kõrvalsaadustest 😅 nüüd see oleks paradoks
 

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Kas nad eristasid tegelikku mefedrooni selle isomeerist ? Mul on tunne, et nad lisavad need samaks tooteks...
 

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Jah, see, mida ma esimest korda saatsin, oli 3-mmc, ja seekord saatsin 4-mmc. Nad eristavad väga hästi.
 

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Western world uses DCM like solvents which have very low water solubility. The Chinese did not use any of the solvents mentioned on this or any other site. I have come across some startling new information and might try that offbeat easy synthesis thia weekend nd will report back. Q good synthesis i believe will perhaps reduce purity, have low yield but would under circumstances normally it would not easily cause a failed batch resulting in waste of efforts money and chemicals .
Of this is half as promising as it sounds. Might be on to some chinaman strength meph.
DCM etc r ok but very low yield if batch is big.. like my last 12 kg batch ruined by adding NMP to speed up the process based on herrbarr s improved sunth using dcm. If your 2b4m is very pure it might work but with some unwanted particles in the 2bromo,4 m, nmp is always a bad idea.
The trick might be to use a catalyst that embraces all the ma40 and makes sure maximum conversion of the bk occurs. The polar solvents only react with the methylamine at the layer of contact since the solvents are not very friendly with water. I gonna try this magic new recipe. Ttu guys later
..BOOM 💥 💥
 

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Interesting. I've heard before someone adding some nmp to "speed up" the process.
However, the process is also very much sped up by using a mechanical stirrer. Takes me 35 minutes until the temperature goes down and the reaction complete.

let me know whenever you get an amazing result with an unusual solvent.

My mind keeps playing with the idea of an attempt to do the reaction in N.DimethylFormamide (DMF), i don't know why but probably because it is the best solvent i've seen until now for dissolving the bromo ketone. I use it for cleaning everything that has been in contact with the bromoketone and the only thing which really works. However has a high bp (slow evaporation) which might be undesireble
 
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