Bazaar.

[Faradey]

At the moment, withdrawals for buyers are disabled as part of our measures to combat phishing. We apologize for the inconvenience and are working on a compromise between convenience and the security of your funds

 

[miner21]

PWishing? You don't trust users with their own money? Forgive me for saying this looks like a perfect set up for an exit.

 

[Faradey]

Let me say it again. We are not a wallet for storing funds! If you want to buy a product - get the money and spend it! We absolutely do not need your money! And I repeat, this is stated in the rules!

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

Why should buyers withdraw funds? Deposit only as much as you need for the current purchase. Bazaar is not a wallet for storing coins.
And only phishers need to withdraw funds.
There are no withdrawal limits for stores.

 

[dnBQByvHb8Zkawbjpx]

A planned deal may not move forward for a number of reasons and the buyer may want to withdraw the funds back, here's a few:

- a last-minute change of buyer's situation, personal/family emergency etc, and the funds are needed elsewhere, an order is not made at all
- the goods is no longer in stock in the demanded quantity and the ad has not been updated/hidden yet, resulting in a cancelled order
- the circumstances on the seller's side have changed and the mode of shipping required by the buyer is temporarily not available, resulting in a cancelled order (this happened to me once)

I advocate for Bazaar customers to be able to withdraw their funds. To some users having their funds locked in with no option to withdraw may have the same effect as losing the funds completely, at least in the short term.

I do not understand the remark "only phishers need to withdraw funds", could you please elaborate on the script that phishers use and how they exploit the withdrawals? Thank you.

 

[nosis]

Last reply, 13, is the number of hack that done because of an existing withdrawal feature. Deposit the amount you need and that's all.

I'm not working for this market, I just don't like traditional marketplace ruling.

 

[miner21]

A simple pen test would check to see if this was a issue.

 

[nosis]

We are on the darknet, if you can take millions out of a wallet, you would do it without thinking. So even if a pentester found something, the money would be gone.

 

[Faradey]

We are not preparing to exit by closing withdrawals! Withdrawals have been unavailable from the very beginning! For the third time, I'm telling you - the withdrawal function for buyers has been unavailable since the market started!

 

[dnBQByvHb8Zkawbjpx]

I would like to kindly ask the Bazaar team to revisit the matter with a bit more empathy. Real life creates many unanticipated situations and I've tried to describe a few in comment #270 of this thread.

Something as simple as low stock on the seller's part can leave a buyer wanting to withdraw funds from Bazaar. Imagine I want to order 100 g of K but the seller is down to the last 50 g and cannot ship the order, so they cancel it. Without other offers for the same price and in the same geographical region (so I avoid external EU customs) I may want to withdraw the funds from Bazaar to BB and buy some precursor instead.

On BB a pre-agreed deal didn't complete because the seller was too busy and did not respond for two weeks to the escrow process, so the deal got cancelled. This stuff happens, life is unpredictable. I moved my funds to Bazaar and made a deal there. I don't understand why it's not allowed to withdraw from Bazaar. It does not feel like any kind of protection to me and the justification about phishers looks superficial and lacks proper explanation.

 

[Faradey]

And we approach this issue with empathy. As I wrote above #262 , I am looking for a balanced solution