A not discussed topic - examining meth

[amphmnamii]

Good afternoon (UTC 0) to every member which is here for a while, and Hi to all newbies whose can help to grow the community's wisdom.
Methamphetamine can have much forms, depending on region's standards or how the manufacturer had slept.
I want to discuss here how to get know if the meth is cut, or which isomer it is, what actually makes the strength and how density of crystals can make difference.

I think people could have multiple opinions/perspectives, please don't attack eachother in anyway (have already seen it here) respect eachother opinion. I want, and you should also find scientific proofs to get clear answers, I want to also know if I don't think all time something wrong.

I expect members to write something more than one sentence.
It would be also nice that forum's experts will not respond too fast, it would be nice to answer in confluence what other members think

So
Here are some my options from five years of observations during working/and taking meth. I also note a was helping with classic Czech manufacturing, I proved my wisdom in praxis if that for you changes my reliability of reference.
1. Strength of meth depends (mainly?) on the quality of precursors-/
2. The alternative precursors than ephedrine makes different high
- p2np and so methods gives high that is mainly observable in others eyes
- Al/Hg and so methods gives relevant good high, but the offset is somewhat catastrophic could I say harmful?
- conversion from amphetamine? I heard it only here never had opportunity to try that, get me and others know if you had.
- pseudoephedrine gives mainly effect to head, not so much to body offset starting 3-6 Hours (it depends, it depends)
- ephedrine gives think I the best effect that can be felt "overwhelming" gives effective time to work, when more meth is available, people start to lying to themselves that "dat ting givs no efektt gimme more dont be like that plis"... And such arguments. For example one time I gived for one person quantity that schould take him to desired effect he wanted. (0.3g) He had shaved his entire eyebrow and he stayed in bathroom for circa 15 hours.
3. The leftovers makes better high.
This is mainly Czech pervitin case. Main compounds boosting high are by my opinion (if they are there)
-toluene
-acetone
-benzine (gasoline)
-acids from battery method manufacture
-efedrine that has converted back due to temperature decomposition (correct me?)
-any mother solvent in which pervitin has made
-could be more..
-also these things are added by dealers to cut it
4. Cutting prepares
- in Czech Republic is known the "kloubák" which is some type of kolagen pills. Can be revealed when put in glass pipe, after heating and smoking first warning can be taste which I cannot describe. If the taste is not pressent that doesn't means is not there. The meth blob in glass pipe which is liquid in state of vaporisation and after taking off the heat turns in solid blob every time, if the any meth has left to smoke. Time which "solidation" of blob takes, is obviously longer in comparison to meth which is not-cutted. And also the thickness of blob is higher. It takes longer to smoke whole thing out but it easily turns brown and smoking experience is then fucked up. I don't have confirmed to myself yet, but I also think that cutted meth dries mouth and whole body even more.
-there is another cutting preparate that can authentically look (even in pure form, 100% fake) like meth crystals. Then taste "on finger" is very obvious, if the buying person will try to. It is something like the cutting preparate mentioned above, but it has capability to look like meth.
- soda, paracetamol, lemon ...An old trick no more to say about.
5. Baking process.. the most complex topic about this all...
The manufacturing process has multiple stages which all can be fucked up, or accidentally make a magic yield which couldn't be baked again...
I am now little exhausted with that I am doing right now and I should concentrate to not end in jail today bruh I no jokin

I hope the new questions and answers will arise to this topic, and I hope I will have clear image of this fucking substance
-amphmnamii
Ps: I hope that I didn't make some misunderstandingfull mistake in this text.

Wish you to have a great time,
Before time goes in dust..​

 

[Idontcarethatmuch]

IF you got the same chemistry it doesn't matter which precursors you have used. An molecule is a molecule is a molecule! The difference in meth is the d-/l-isomer concentration. Ephedrin/Pseudoeph can when done right produce just D-Meth. P2P produces (depending but normaly) 50:50 Isomers. BUT you can clean your meth of L-Isomers. So even P2P-Meth can give you exactly the same high as Ephedrine-Meth if Isomers are split. On the Streets P2P-Meth normaly isn't cleaned or L-Meth is partialy put back in bc of the price. Ephedrine is difficult to get in most places in high ammounts thats why the big guys will mostly work with P2P.
Thats it! Imho no opinions needed just the chemical facts! Btw you can learn everything about it hear in the forum.

Of course cutting agents/drug mixtures could be part of it.

 

[amphmnamii]

Yo, now I understand it. Thank you for your time.

 

[ruen]

its funny you ask for scientific proofs, and then write a bunch of myths
1/ well, obviously. purer precursors minimalize sideproducts, which improves purity (and propably yields).
2/ have you actually tried to make meth via any of the existing p2p routes, and then to opticaly resolve the enantiomers? as a side note, did you know p2p is one of the many sideproducts obtained when making meth using the "czech route"?
3/ trace amounts of some solvents, like toulene or gasoline, remaining in the product due to either poor handling or improper drying, can propably alter the effect of the drug, but propably not significantly or pleasantly (unless you enjoy inhaling toulene together with your bro Dezo Lakatos).
acetone is not psychoactive as far as i know.
what do you mean by "acids from battery method manufacture"?
efedrine by itself is a stimulant (although weaker than methamphetamine), so it propably does alter the high. on the other hand, pseudoefedrine just cleans your nose. i believe this is the reason (besides the tolerance build by years of usage) why the oldschool junkies claim the meth used to be stronger in the 90s and early 2000s.
4/ for those unfamiliar with czech tweaker culture (and for the czechs and slovaks with poor english skills), "kloubak" is Methylsulfonylmethane (or MSM for short).
the another cutting preparate you are reffering to is propably n‐isopropylbenzylamine. looks like meth, melts like meth, but when you smoke too much of it, all you get is a headache and become mildly confused. apparently it is a common cutting agent in the US, and ive actually encountered this in czechia already.
what would you like to discuss though? are you asking for tips what to cut your meth with (in that case go kill yourself)? or asking how to separate the meth from the cutting agent (1st case acetone to disolve MSM, 2nd case chloroform to disolve meth; doesnt work perfectly, but its better than nothing)? or are you asking for the most bizare cutting material weve encountered (vitamin c)?
5/ 1st and most important rule when doing "czecho": do not blow up. but jokes aside, try to learn some basic TLC, that way you can monitor the reaction and decide when it is finished. judging from both my experience and various "recipes" of other people, the order of addition does not really matter, but it is very important to control the initial exothermic reaction, either by cooling the flask or the reactants or by carefull addition. a sealed vessel connected via a tube to a "push pull tank" seems the best to me. but im no expert by any means, so maybe you share some of your "proved wisdom in praxis" with us first?

 

[amphmnamii]

Well, thank you for explaining and dissolving my illusion that came from from non-truths and half true informations. I proved my wisdom when I was cooking with junky manufacturers, in short words I just know how they did it, and some ineffective processes fuck it, meth from big guys is better anyway.
I didn't ever enjoyed inhaling toluene with dezo lakotos.
Thank you for your time.

 

[Idontcarethatmuch]

If you follow the synthesis ways in this forum you can do the purest meth even in small doses.

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

This has been discussed adnauseum by a few of us. one thing ephedrine, pseudoephedrine and p2p each make meth that IS slightly different. I have a post on this topic.the reason is 1R,2R ( pseudoeph) and 1S,2R(ephedrine) have a chiral beta carbon, and p2p has no rotation at the beta carbon. When you reduce them, you are removing the HO On the beta carbon. Even though you removed the side chain, the carbon still has rotation ( if it were chiral ) which changes the "spine" leaving that first carbon it still rotates the bond between the beta and alpha carbon ( or it is straight starting from p2p) and this changes how it binds in the receptor. Msm is a popular adulterant, but it melts at a much lower temperature, so with slow and careful heating you can melt the msm and not the meth, which facilitates separation. N-isopropylbenzylamine is an isomers of meth, it has the exact same molecules in a different configuration but shares the same mole weight and many other chemical features. Drugs.data says they have bought the standard multiple times and ms/gc easily differentiates between them because the structural difference makes peaks at different areas. They say they have never found it in a sample ( they test drugs for people who send in samples). I personally have gotten bunk meth that according to my not professional analysis had the specs of PABA, a popular dietary supplement similar to msm. Another time I analyzed a sample that once separated from the meth clearly smelled like menthol, but that wasn't detectable before separation. Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine have different psychological effects and there is often a bit of unreached material in the finished product, ephedrine is much more stimulating than pseudoephedrine and feels "jaggedely stimulating". Finally D-meth produces "shards" the shape of the crystals are monoclinic if I recall correctly, meaning no 90 degree angles and ne equal sides, and L-meth produces a crystal that have 1 90 degee angle and they look like flat Squarish crystals, like a pane of glass or imagine clear bismuth there are pictures of L- meth crystals in a couple of my posts ( one about separating the two with tartaric acid) pictures of L-meth are very rare and when you see my picture ( not my picture, but I identified it) you will probably be the only person you know who has seen the difference it's in this thread

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