N-Isopropylbenzylamine with racemic Meth?
- Thread starter Seekinglife01
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I've never in my research have seen a single peer reviewed or or official document that suggests N-iso in ss ever been found in merh or that anyone was selling it as a counterfeit drug. I could consider that there is an international conspiracy to never admit that meth is cut with it or it is sold as meth (it would be a federal crime under the analogs act, and treated the same as if it were meth, but state laws vary) Furthermore, the site "Drugs.data" a harm prevention site you can send your drugs to with $100 and a title that the sender would recognize. They used to be part of the site Erowid. They say that they have bought the standard twice and it has an easily differentiated gc/ms profile, and they've never encountered it. If you have any peer reviewed or legitimate government. Data that suggests it was used as an adulterant, I'd love to see it.
- By Archanfel
That's pretty strange since the evidence that n-iso is used to cut meth in different places around the world is pretty easy to find. This isespecially true in Australia were people/gtoups use it to cut the majority/completely l-meth that they sell as ICE currently in Australia.
" In 2007–2008, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) reports have shown that a compound called N‐isopropylbenzylamine (n‐(1‐methylethyl)‐benzenemethanamin, N‐ipb, Figure 1) has been used first as an adulterant or substitute for METH in seized drug samples in the United States. 13 , 14 , 15
In New Zealand, many products of ‘pure METH’ sold in the street are adulterated with at least 50% of N‐ipb. 17 Additionally, drug dealers in China have sold N‐ipb as fake ‘Ice’ METH in many recorded cases. Although N‐ipb is a border controlled substance in Australia, it is not currently known as a controlled substance in other countries."
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"Over the course of the next month the origins and links between multiple consignments seized by the ABF were reviewed and found to contain border controlled substances, including eight kilograms of isopropylbenzylamine (a methamphetamine analogue) and quantities of heroin, cocaine and other drugs from various source countries"
"New Zealand’s drug checking organisations (KnowYourStuff, NZ Needle Exchange and NZ Drug Foundation) have been seeing something called n-isopropylbenzylamine (shortened to n-iso) turning up in substances that people thought were methamphetamine."
thelevel.org.nz
"Crime gangs import legal chemical to make cheap and deadly imitation meth
Crime gangs are deploying Breaking Bad methods and exploiting legal loopholes to mass-produce a new “imitation” meth, which is cheaper to produce but more hazardous. Australian crime gangs are importing a chemical known as “ISO” to produce a cheap and deadly imitation meth.
Criminals are using a legally imported chemical to flood Melbourne streets with a cheap, potent and dangerous new “imitation” methamphetamine"
" In 2007–2008, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) reports have shown that a compound called N‐isopropylbenzylamine (n‐(1‐methylethyl)‐benzenemethanamin, N‐ipb, Figure 1) has been used first as an adulterant or substitute for METH in seized drug samples in the United States. 13 , 14 , 15
In New Zealand, many products of ‘pure METH’ sold in the street are adulterated with at least 50% of N‐ipb. 17 Additionally, drug dealers in China have sold N‐ipb as fake ‘Ice’ METH in many recorded cases. Although N‐ipb is a border controlled substance in Australia, it is not currently known as a controlled substance in other countries."
N‐Isopropylbenzylamine‐induced conditioned place preference, sensitization behaviour and self‐administration in rodents - PMC
N‐Isopropylbenzylamine (N‐ipb), a chain isomer of methamphetamine (METH) with similar physical properties, has been used as a substitute for METH in seized drug samples. However, the abuse potential of N‐ipb remains unclear. Therefore, this study ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"Over the course of the next month the origins and links between multiple consignments seized by the ABF were reviewed and found to contain border controlled substances, including eight kilograms of isopropylbenzylamine (a methamphetamine analogue) and quantities of heroin, cocaine and other drugs from various source countries"
"New Zealand’s drug checking organisations (KnowYourStuff, NZ Needle Exchange and NZ Drug Foundation) have been seeing something called n-isopropylbenzylamine (shortened to n-iso) turning up in substances that people thought were methamphetamine."
What is n-iso? - The Level
New Zealand’s drug checking organisations have been seeing something called n-isopropylbenzylamine lately. Here's what we know.
"Crime gangs import legal chemical to make cheap and deadly imitation meth
Crime gangs are deploying Breaking Bad methods and exploiting legal loopholes to mass-produce a new “imitation” meth, which is cheaper to produce but more hazardous. Australian crime gangs are importing a chemical known as “ISO” to produce a cheap and deadly imitation meth.
Criminals are using a legally imported chemical to flood Melbourne streets with a cheap, potent and dangerous new “imitation” methamphetamine"
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I honestly was convinced of the same thing for years, but drugs,data, in the US says they hardly ever saw it, like 3 times and One can say the chinese were advertising the shit out of it, but you cant say with any authority that they were selling the shit out of it. It's like using ebay to price an item. Sure they were asking $500 for it, but did they sell it for $500? Did they sell it at all. You'll be shocked when you start checking references ina lot of peer reviewed journals, the references are fake, they don't make the claim the author citing it says they do, they misquite the source. It's wide spread and an known issue. I publish something today showing a link between stevia and homosexuality and people cite it and quote it for 2 years before its rejected, but they don't put up a neon sign that says it was rejected, its in tiny print in the index of a journal 2 years later. I couldn't find any legitimate evidence it was used in abundance in the US (then again we are land-locked to Mexico, so the shit is dirt cheap. I tried to sell some for $125/ounce and people laughed because you can buy it all day for $125/ounce if you know somebody. I know a guy in Arizona selling it for $100/ounce
- By Archanfel
1 I am Australia and know individuals involved in the biggest group who has most control over the illegal drug trade in Australia (Comancheros MC) who cut their drugs to make more money including using n-iso to cut meth with. I provided evidence that this is true including
* A article from the Australian Federal Police; Australian Border Force; Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission which details their arrests of people attempting to import meth and n-iso into Australia.
* An article from New Zealand that details that n-iso was found in meth examples tested which only happened after the 501 deportees who were member of the Comancheros MC were deported from Australia and back to New Zealand who have the connections to international organised crime groups including in Mexico/China. This allowed them to import and distribute their Crystal Meth in New Zealand which they cut with n-iso as part of their business practices to make more money.
* A Herald Sun article that details the facts from a Court trial that you can look up and see actually happened which includes the people involved using n-iso cut meth and sell as meth
Groups involved in the illegal drug trade in Australia have international connections including to China where they hate get their n-iso to cut Crystal Meth with here.
2 I already know it extremely cheap in China as this was one reason groups in Australia decided to use it to cut meth with as they can make almost up to $ 1,000 times what they pay for it in China since Australians are incredibly stupid and will pay top dollar for terrible quality drugs.
Please provide when n-iso was outlawed in china and even if it was outlawed it doesnt mean that people/groups aren't still manufacturing it, just look at the illegal steroid manufacturing that still goes in China despite multiple crackdowns.
3 N-ISO looks like meth and will come up as meth in some drug testing methods used. It also dangerous as it causes various negative effects when taken which is shown from the research on it as a substance to cut meth with and from the Material Safety Data Sheet from chemical companies. I have experienced those things myself and since most Crystal Meth currently being sold in Australia is majority l-meth which is cut with n-iso it's not the most dangerous thing I have taken. It makes far worse the negative effects of l-meth that I experience including serve nerve pain from the vasoconstriction in scar tissue I have from surgery years ago which I never experienced when I used d-meth for 5 years as a functional drug.
"N-isopropylbenzylamine, a methamphetamine mimics, produces toxicity via increasing nitric oxide in vitro"
" Material Safety Data Sheet"
4 It's only blown out of proportion if you are talking about Australia and New Zealand since the far bigger issue is that what the majority of people sell as Crystal Meth in Australia is majority l-meth with a little bit of d-meth/completely l-meth with no d-meth at all. It won't disappear and will only grow much stronger especially in Australia and New Zealand since heavily cutting drugs like stimulants with other substances is standard practice for all groups involved in the illegal drug trade which started with Peter Hill (one of the original members of the Melbourne chapter of the Hells Angles) who first introduced amphetamine in Australia in 1980 and which he would cut to make as much money as possible
5 It will still be made in China even if it's done illegally just as various illegal steroids are manufactured despite various crackdowns. As one of the research articles I linked to points out n-iso isnt a controlled substance in many countries so people could even start making it in other places. Organised Crime Groups will buy it from those Chinese manufacturers so they can make as much money as possible with the limited amount of meth they have
* A article from the Australian Federal Police; Australian Border Force; Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission which details their arrests of people attempting to import meth and n-iso into Australia.
* An article from New Zealand that details that n-iso was found in meth examples tested which only happened after the 501 deportees who were member of the Comancheros MC were deported from Australia and back to New Zealand who have the connections to international organised crime groups including in Mexico/China. This allowed them to import and distribute their Crystal Meth in New Zealand which they cut with n-iso as part of their business practices to make more money.
* A Herald Sun article that details the facts from a Court trial that you can look up and see actually happened which includes the people involved using n-iso cut meth and sell as meth
Groups involved in the illegal drug trade in Australia have international connections including to China where they hate get their n-iso to cut Crystal Meth with here.
2 I already know it extremely cheap in China as this was one reason groups in Australia decided to use it to cut meth with as they can make almost up to $ 1,000 times what they pay for it in China since Australians are incredibly stupid and will pay top dollar for terrible quality drugs.
Please provide when n-iso was outlawed in china and even if it was outlawed it doesnt mean that people/groups aren't still manufacturing it, just look at the illegal steroid manufacturing that still goes in China despite multiple crackdowns.
3 N-ISO looks like meth and will come up as meth in some drug testing methods used. It also dangerous as it causes various negative effects when taken which is shown from the research on it as a substance to cut meth with and from the Material Safety Data Sheet from chemical companies. I have experienced those things myself and since most Crystal Meth currently being sold in Australia is majority l-meth which is cut with n-iso it's not the most dangerous thing I have taken. It makes far worse the negative effects of l-meth that I experience including serve nerve pain from the vasoconstriction in scar tissue I have from surgery years ago which I never experienced when I used d-meth for 5 years as a functional drug.
"N-isopropylbenzylamine, a methamphetamine mimics, produces toxicity via increasing nitric oxide in vitro"
" Material Safety Data Sheet"
Purity - Truth/myths of n-isopropylbenzylamine
Material Safety Data Sheet Version 3.3 Revision Date 04/09/2013 Print Date 05/10/2013 COMPANY IDENTIFICATION Product name : N-Isopropylbenzylamine Product Number : 136964 Brand : Aldrich Supplier : Sigma-Aldrich 3050 Spruce Street SAINT LOUIS MO 63103 USA Telephone : +1...
drugs-forum.com
4 It's only blown out of proportion if you are talking about Australia and New Zealand since the far bigger issue is that what the majority of people sell as Crystal Meth in Australia is majority l-meth with a little bit of d-meth/completely l-meth with no d-meth at all. It won't disappear and will only grow much stronger especially in Australia and New Zealand since heavily cutting drugs like stimulants with other substances is standard practice for all groups involved in the illegal drug trade which started with Peter Hill (one of the original members of the Melbourne chapter of the Hells Angles) who first introduced amphetamine in Australia in 1980 and which he would cut to make as much money as possible
5 It will still be made in China even if it's done illegally just as various illegal steroids are manufactured despite various crackdowns. As one of the research articles I linked to points out n-iso isnt a controlled substance in many countries so people could even start making it in other places. Organised Crime Groups will buy it from those Chinese manufacturers so they can make as much money as possible with the limited amount of meth they have
- By A5kL3Pi0s
"in vitro"... that study is debatable, but ok lets take it at face value: n-isopropylbenzylamine constricts blood vessels, aight if youre healthy and use meth recreationally from time to time, this isnt a major issue. Its far from ideal, but imo still overstated.
As far as MSDS go: Ligma Balldrich and other chemical companies write those documents because they dont want to be liable in case someone gets hurt. Its similar to medication packaging, they state EVERYTHING that COULD happen, just to save themselves from legal charges. MSDS for water for example often advise you to use saftey glasses, gloves and a lab coat when handeling H2O.
You get my point - Ill give you that its not ideal/healthy, but when compared to meth (abuse) itself its prolly better tolerated.
n-isopropylbenzylamine is also rather easy to synthesize, you dont need to be "organised crime" or part of a similar nafarious group - why does it show up on meth drugtestests? well its a structural isomer of meth and those urine/at home tests dont actually check for the substance, but rather only react with part of the phenyl-tail (depends on what test ofc); thats also why nasal decongestant shows up as meth with those test-strips...
Cant say anything about anything else you wrote, as Im not australian
As far as MSDS go: Ligma Balldrich and other chemical companies write those documents because they dont want to be liable in case someone gets hurt. Its similar to medication packaging, they state EVERYTHING that COULD happen, just to save themselves from legal charges. MSDS for water for example often advise you to use saftey glasses, gloves and a lab coat when handeling H2O.
You get my point - Ill give you that its not ideal/healthy, but when compared to meth (abuse) itself its prolly better tolerated.
n-isopropylbenzylamine is also rather easy to synthesize, you dont need to be "organised crime" or part of a similar nafarious group - why does it show up on meth drugtestests? well its a structural isomer of meth and those urine/at home tests dont actually check for the substance, but rather only react with part of the phenyl-tail (depends on what test ofc); thats also why nasal decongestant shows up as meth with those test-strips...
Cant say anything about anything else you wrote, as Im not australian