4mmc - amination in DCM. Some questions

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Hello, I'm getting close to changing the solvent I'm currently using. The choice, for known reasons, fell on DCM, no less, looking in the sub-topics from the attached there synthesis on DCM I drew the following proportions:

100g bk4 in 300ml dcm and to this 200ml m40 water solution. The whole heated and stirred 2h at 40 degrees

Well, and I was just about to get down to it but in the topic with the crystallization of 4mmc I found the statements of a certain person who, in my opinion judging by her statements, has a great deal of knowledge in this subject. Collecting information from several of her posts into one comes out something like this:

100g of bk4 in 250ml of DCM, to this 150ml of m40 solution in water where the reaction takes 4h at 32-36 degrees C (at 38 degrees DCM boils and this is to be avoided so that impurities do not form) where half of the m40 is added at the beginning and the other half after 1 hour from the start of the reaction.

And here is my question, is it actually sensible to run the reactions at 5 degrees less but for 2h longer? Will this actually affect the yield significantly and the purity of the resulting product? According to this person, running the synthesis at 32-36 degrees for 4h yields about 670-690g of flour from 1kg of 2b4m, in crystals 640-650g which is an excellent result.

Does anyone have knowledge of the best amount of m40 to add for 1kg of bk4 running the synthesis in DCM for the previously mentioned 40 degrees for 2h and 32-36 degrees for 4h?

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My friend made week a go this way he get 30g powder haha form 100g 2b4m is shit synthesis made your self you will see
 

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So what solvent, what proportions and how much time at what temp do you suggest?
 

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Hello, I'm getting close to changing the solvent I'm currently using. The choice, for known reasons, fell on DCM, no less, looking in the sub-topics from the attached there synthesis on DCM I drew the following proportions:

100g bk4 in 300ml dcm and to this 200ml m40 water solution. The whole heated and stirred 2h at 40 degrees

Well, and I was just about to get down to it but in the topic with the crystallization of 4mmc I found the statements of a certain person who, in my opinion judging by her statements, has a great deal of knowledge in this subject. Collecting information from several of her posts into one comes out something like this:

100g of bk4 in 250ml of DCM, to this 150ml of m40 solution in water where the reaction takes 4h at 32-36 degrees C (at 38 degrees DCM boils and this is to be avoided so that impurities do not form) where half of the m40 is added at the beginning and the other half after 1 hour from the start of the reaction.

And here is my question, is it actually sensible to run the reactions at 5 degrees less but for 2h longer? Will this actually affect the yield significantly and the purity of the resulting product? According to this person, running the synthesis at 32-36 degrees for 4h yields about 670-690g of flour from 1kg of 2b4m, in crystals 640-650g which is an excellent result.

Does anyone have knowledge of the best amount of m40 to add for 1kg of bk4 running the synthesis in DCM for the previously mentioned 40 degrees for 2h and 32-36 degrees for 4h?

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Prima4mmcI tried this method this week. there was a load of 10 kg 2b4m. 4-mmc turned out amazingly clean and snow-white. the yield was 6.67 kg in crystals.
 

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important point. this person wrote that he sours with an anhydrous 30% solution of HCl in isopropanol. I could not find such a solution and so acidified with anhydrous 20% HCl solution in dioxane. I think this is important because normal 40% hydrochloric acid contains 60% water, and water dissolves 4-mmc in itself. this could lead to significant losses.
 

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You use acid hcl and you mix with
dioxane ?
 

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You use acid hcl and you mix with
dioxane ?
Netflixno. hydrochloric acid is a 40% solution of HCl in water. Hydrochloric dioxane is a 20% solution of HCl in dioxane (dioxane is used instead of water as a solvent for HCl). such solutions can be found in our stores in Bulgaria. dioxane does not dissolve 4-mmc, unlike water
 

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isopropyl chloride this what russian use he dont use acid hcl and mix with ipa but he you pure isopropyl chloride
 

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when you crystallize in water, you put the box in the freezer immediately and wait 12 hours ??
 

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I tried this method this week. there was a load of 10 kg 2b4m. 4-mmc turned out amazingly clean and snow-white. the yield was 6.67 kg in crystals.
ChemDamnThank you very much for your answer. Did you use the method where for 1kg of bk4 you give 2L of m40 and run the synthesis for 2h at 40 degrees or the one just mentioned from this specialist i.e. for 1kg of bk4 1.5L of m40 and reaction 4h at 32-36 degrees?
 

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important point. this person wrote that he sours with an anhydrous 30% solution of HCl in isopropanol. I could not find such a solution and so acidified with anhydrous 20% HCl solution in dioxane. I think this is important because normal 40% hydrochloric acid contains 60% water, and water dissolves 4-mmc in itself. this could lead to significant losses.
ChemDamnUnfortunately, in my country the only HCL you can buy is HCL in water.

Can I add HCL in water to acetone in a ratio of, say, 1:10 and then dry the resulting liquid over MgSO4 so as to get rid of all the water?
 

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I made crystals in water. 0.7ml water per 1g 4-mmc. it turned out pretty good, and it's just something in 12 hours!!! I think this person really has a lot of experience
ChemDamnAt what temperature did you keep the container with the crystallization liquid? I understand it was at complete stillness?

Your help is unappreciated to me. Thank you very much
 

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Thank you very much for your answer. Did you use the method where for 1kg of bk4 you give 2L of m40 and run the synthesis for 2h at 40 degrees or the one just mentioned from this specialist i.e. for 1kg of bk4 1.5L of m40 and reaction 4h at 32-36 degrees?
Prima4mmcI made for 1kg of bk4 1,5l of m40 and reaction 4h at 32-36C.
 

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if using HCl aqueous solution, do not dilute it with acetone. do this: after methylamination and washing the organic layer with water, add an equal volume of ethyl acetate to the organic layer (I added 16 liters of ethyl acetate). and then add undiluted HCl (40% solution in water). add hydrochloric acid and mix well until the pH is in the range of 3-6. then put the whole mass in the freezer at -20C for 15-20 hours, so that everything freezes well. at -20C, water loses its ability to dissolve 4-mmc in itself. then filter the product. output will be good.
 

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At what temperature did you keep the container with the crystallization liquid? I understand it was at complete stillness?

Your help is unappreciated to me. Thank you very much
Prima4mmcI left the container in the cellar completely at rest at a temperature of + 4C.
 

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I must say that the method, where the reaction is carried out for 2 hours at a temperature of 40C, gives the same yield of 4-mmc. but when filtered 4-mmc it turns out brown, beige. then you have to wash it many times with acetone to wash off dirt and make it white.
 

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mephedrone after acidification turns brown yellow because there is too much hydrochloric acid added and for this it is the same color when ph is 6 then mephedrone is white
 
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