Best large scale synthesis (+100kg) for amphetamine from P2NP

[antrax]

I want to manufacture amphetamine on an industrial scale from P2NP and I would like to know what is the best route.
thank you all!!

 

[metux]

I want to manufacture amphetamine on an industrial scale from P2NP and I would like to know what is the best route.
thank you all!!

antraxBest route is to find buyers first.Am sure,you not even try making 1gram scale.

 

[Never to sleep]

Best route is to find buyers first.Am sure,you not even try making 1gram scale.

metuxI agree. I learned that everyone wants to make Kgs of meth when get the thought only to realize "Oh shit it's actually not as cheap as I thought especially since I have no idea what I'm even trying to do and have to utilize procedures 3× more expensive just because I find the best one to be too complex".

People often ignore vessel size as well only to realize that "Oh shit if I want to make this and that amount I need 20 L+ flasks which cost 4-10× that of the 1L variant." a bonus one is "Oh shit even if I have the flask I need a 20 L heating mantle which also costs as much".

Not to say this is impossible. There are people who have done it, perhaps I may have done it myself?? Who knows ... Anyways, just saying that 99.9% of people literally don't have the resources to do this and most likely never will.

What I mean is they all think they will make a kg of amphetamines on their first pull but in actuality no such lab exists without first making small amounts and selling those. Seriously you either have the money to do something like this but you're too old with no knowledge or to even enjoy the drugs that you make or you don't have the money (since believe it or not you need to eat/drink, pay utility bills, your car...) yk. So you start with small amounts and slowly climb to the very top. But without money there is no lab. And when there is no lab? There is no product. It's that simple people

 

[Never to sleep]

I agree. I learned that everyone wants to make Kgs of meth when get the thought only to realize "Oh shit it's actually not as cheap as I thought especially since I have no idea what I'm even trying to do and have to utilize procedures 3× more expensive just because I find the best one to be too complex".

People often ignore vessel size as well only to realize that "Oh shit if I want to make this and that amount I need 20 L+ flasks which cost 4-10× that of the 1L variant." a bonus one is "Oh shit even if I have the flask I need a 20 L heating mantle which also costs as much".

Not to say this is impossible. There are people who have done it, perhaps I may have done it myself?? Who knows ... Anyways, just saying that 99.9% of people literally don't have the resources to do this and most likely never will.

What I mean is they all think they will make a kg of amphetamines on their first pull but in actuality no such lab exists without first making small amounts and selling those. Seriously you either have the money to do something like this but you're too old with no knowledge or to even enjoy the drugs that you make or you don't have the money (since believe it or not you need to eat/drink, pay utility bills, your car...) yk. So you start with small amounts and slowly climb to the very top. But without money there is no lab. And when there is no lab? There is no product. It's that simple people

Never to sleepAnd not to underestimate the power of a clandestine chemist but bro you can't just walk into a chemical supplier's warehouse and buy 50 L of benzaldehyde no questions asked. You got to have a permit to present with a valid explanation for what you wanna use it. You actually learn to talk your way out of this shit quite well overtime but like I said if you have NO IDEA whatsoever what you're getting yourself into and do this you'll get busted soon enough. Even if you decided to make your own benzaldehyde from benzyl alcohol this gets even worse since people utilize it to make meth directly. Like even if something is not a precursor they know dude, they know what people might use it for they're not complete idiots.

Breaking Bad is a great TV show but this part regarding the precursors is eh. Let's say "over saturated" to denote it lightly. Like there is NO WAY you're walking out with barrels of phenylacetic acid like in the show. That's a fiction. That's why it's a TV show. It's for entertainment. But hey, it's hilarious. Its entertaining enough for this forum to go in it's footsteeps lmao

 

[btcboss2022]

And not to underestimate the power of a clandestine chemist but bro you can't just walk into a chemical supplier's warehouse and buy 50 L of benzaldehyde no questions asked. You got to have a permit to present with a valid explanation for what you wanna use it. You actually learn to talk your way out of this shit quite well overtime but like I said if you have NO IDEA whatsoever what you're getting yourself into and do this you'll get busted soon enough. Even if you decided to make your own benzaldehyde from benzyl alcohol this gets even worse since people utilize it to make meth directly. Like even if something is not a precursor they know dude, they know what people might use it for they're not complete idiots.

Breaking Bad is a great TV show but this part regarding the precursors is eh. Let's say "over saturated" to denote it lightly. Like there is NO WAY you're walking out with barrels of phenylacetic acid like in the show. That's a fiction. That's why it's a TV show. It's for entertainment. But hey, it's hilarious. Its entertaining enough for this forum to go in it's footsteeps lmao

Never to sleepNot an easy job trust me, every day that passes I am more convinced that it is better work some days as "cooker" for a serious group than have your own place, is harder than people thinks.
Obviously is hard doing in professional way and safe, doing it in amateur way and go to jail is easier and less hard thats a fact ;-)

 

[Never to sleep]

Not an easy job trust me, every day that passes I am more convinced that it is better work some days as "cooker" for a serious group than have your own place, is harder than people thinks.
Obviously is hard doing in professional way and safe, doing it in amateur way and go to jail is easier and less hard thats a fact ;-)

btcboss2022Yeah man tell me about it.

It's not too long that I actually started to appreciate even the labor associated with making large amounts of anything in the lab. Be it drugs or any other interesting compounds. It was my genuine love towards chemistry that keeps me going.

Whenever I feel shitty and want to give it up I just think of how much have I learned along the way and how it fundamentally aided my knowledge of chemistry as a whole. Eventually I reached a point in my life where this wasn't labor anymore. It had nothing to do with the drugs. Suddenly I was surrounded by wonderful people in a wonderful lab with a wonderful passion. I realized that what I am doing is no longer just a project or dedication, it is real research of rare compounds many have never even heard about or seen by their own eyes.

I wish what we are doing would not be restricted by meaningless rules and restrictions. I wish we would not be censored in saying what we want, making what we want, taking what we want. I'm not an anarchist. I don't believe we should all kill each other over minor things. But I do believe in true freedom. Some people I know and some on the BB forum appear to me like really talented individuals. I mean think about it. We all work in this restricted environment where we are constantly monitored as to what we do. Yet still we manage to synthesize compounds unheard of before in government funded laboratories which often struggle to do it themselves (talking based on actual personal experience).

I wish a day will come we stop this madness and understand that the relationship between people and drugs can exist symbiotically without unnecessary violence.

I was a chemist before I made drugs. But I only truly started to live this amazing life full of adventure and love once I started making drugs. If I am capable of making the compound, without harming myself or others. I own it. No matter what you tell me or how you try to manipulate me into your bullshit story about how I destroyed people's lives. You know what I see? Actual, real people looking right into my eyes thanking me for letting them experience this. I let them experience love and feelings of true happiness. In a safe manner without harming themselves by impure shitty drugs they saw prior to my product on the streets.

Fuck war on drugs. Fuck law enforcement and every officer supporting this bullshit. Live free people. Don't let anybody trick you into doing otherwise.

 

[AKWA]

Yeah man tell me about it.

It's not too long that I actually started to appreciate even the labor associated with making large amounts of anything in the lab. Be it drugs or any other interesting compounds. It was my genuine love towards chemistry that keeps me going.

Whenever I feel shitty and want to give it up I just think of how much have I learned along the way and how it fundamentally aided my knowledge of chemistry as a whole. Eventually I reached a point in my life where this wasn't labor anymore. It had nothing to do with the drugs. Suddenly I was surrounded by wonderful people in a wonderful lab with a wonderful passion. I realized that what I am doing is no longer just a project or dedication, it is real research of rare compounds many have never even heard about or seen by their own eyes.

I wish what we are doing would not be restricted by meaningless rules and restrictions. I wish we would not be censored in saying what we want, making what we want, taking what we want. I'm not an anarchist. I don't believe we should all kill each other over minor things. But I do believe in true freedom. Some people I know and some on the BB forum appear to me like really talented individuals. I mean think about it. We all work in this restricted environment where we are constantly monitored as to what we do. Yet still we manage to synthesize compounds unheard of before in government funded laboratories which often struggle to do it themselves (talking based on actual personal experience).

I wish a day will come we stop this madness and understand that the relationship between people and drugs can exist symbiotically without unnecessary violence.

I was a chemist before I made drugs. But I only truly started to live this amazing life full of adventure and love once I started making drugs. If I am capable of making the compound, without harming myself or others. I own it. No matter what you tell me or how you try to manipulate me into your bullshit story about how I destroyed people's lives. You know what I see? Actual, real people looking right into my eyes thanking me for letting them experience this. I let them experience love and feelings of true happiness. In a safe manner without harming themselves by impure shitty drugs they saw prior to my product on the streets.

Fuck war on drugs. Fuck law enforcement and every officer supporting this bullshit. Live free people. Don't let anybody trick you into doing otherwise.

Never to sleepBeautifuly expressed my friend.

 

[Precursor-supplier]

The best way is to buy directly (p2np)
I can provide quality p2np

 

[Constantylious777]

Since i fucked up big synthesis to obtain 100kg of product i do 5-10x smaller because had problems with temperature/reaction and since today i cry for so much chemicals lost