Cheapest / Most Profitable GOOD Cathinone? (Small Scale)

[gfs241]

In my area we get good meth for fairly cheap, but recently the local quality is dropping and the major fiends are not happy. I've learned all the chemistry needed and r3alized this is an easy thing to take advantage of, even if it's just a small area like a few Hotspot parks for tweakers.
So can someone help me figure out what is the cheapest cathinone to synth at a small to medium scale? Note I am in the US and would obviously prefer unscheduled chemicals.

 

[Methylated]

4-MMC is all you need. No legals are currently worth the trouble

 

[gfs241]

4-MMC is all you need. No legals are currently worth the trouble

MethylatedI didn't mean u scheduled chemicals like the rcs, my bad. I mean unscheduled precursors. Also idk if 4mmc would work here.. I mean everyone is addicted to the needle and pipe, even myself included, so if they can't smoke i either I think it'd just be useless.

 

[Methylated]

Aha,
Anyway 4-MMC when slammed. Is even more euphoric and addicting than anything else.
If your clients are searching for a stimulant type high, this is it.

 

[gfs241]

Aha,
Anyway 4-MMC when slammed. Is even more euphoric and addicting than anything else.
If your clients are searching for a stimulant type high, this is it.

MethylatedAnd how long does slamming exactly last? I don't think you've ever seen hard-core meth users. People here shoot up a few times a day but still expect to be able to smoke in between to keep the binge going.

 

[Cranston]

Aha,
Anyway 4-MMC when slammed. Is even more euphoric and addicting than anything else.
If your clients are searching for a stimulant type high, this is it.

MethylatedNope, The pyros are the most euphoric thing out there. The "addicting" point is debatable as they have quite some side effects.

 

[Methylated]

Well,
People who are slamming Meth and smokes all day long are not looking for a short lived Cath...
You should look into MDPV, A-PVP and other chems similar, maybe.

 

[gfs241]

Well,
People who are slamming Meth and smokes all day long are not looking for a short lived Cath...
You should look into MDPV, A-PVP and other chems similar, maybe.

MethylatedI thought MDPV and similar were caths or am I mistaken? I also just don't know if they're profitable enough to sell.. don't even know what amount to sell them for anyways. I know that's much further ahead if that's the play but it's still a important part.

 

[fartsqander]

Dude if your gonna be slinging, pyros are ur best bet, compulsive as hell, pretty rare so prices are pretty much whatever works for you. The trick however is creating a demmand which isn't easy when everyone wants ice and your offering something that reeks of cum when it's smoked. Tho get past that and you'll be seeing the same clients several times a day

 

[Cranston]

Dude if your gonna be slinging, pyros are ur best bet, compulsive as hell, pretty rare so prices are pretty much whatever works for you. The trick however is creating a demmand which isn't easy when everyone wants ice and your offering something that reeks of cum when it's smoked. Tho get past that and you'll be seeing the same clients several times a day

fartsqanderFrom where in the hell do you people have pyros that smell like cum?
This is ridiculous, they don't smell at all. None of them.
Sometimes they smell bad wenn burned, but that's the unwanted toxic chemical left from the synthesis. Pyros themselves even don't smell when burned.

 

[pachemguy]

A-pvp php is much better tasting and smelling but it's absolutely the ticket 100 times better then the best meth I ever had I can get every ingredient overnight and domestic (USA as well ) the market can hard to build but even the most hard core Crack head gonna sell his mommas shoes after one taste it sells itself just gotta give them a taste cause your not gonna get it anywhere else you set the price the supply and the demand

 

[DrugZ]

Ephedrone or 4mmc

 

[Cranston]

Depends what you want:
1. A nice short euphoric rush and hardly side effect: Alpha-PiHP
2. A late coming stimulating rush and more side effects: Alpha-PHP
3. A hard euphoric rush, never seen in the universe before and horrible side effects like your back is aching for hours: Alpha-PVP

Notorable meantion: Never had MDPV, but they say it's the hardest drug ever existed. So well. A-PCYP has a good rush, too, but then later a really strange high.

 

[Frit Buchner]

If you are trying to complete with the stimulation of meth maybe you should look at the methyl aminorex line of chemicals or pyrovelarophenones. a-pvp blows meth out of the water on stimulation. Make you eat a guys face

 

[Cranston]

If you are trying to complete with the stimulation of meth maybe you should look at the methyl aminorex line of chemicals or pyrovelarophenones. a-pvp blows meth out of the water on stimulation. Make you eat a guys face

Frit BuchnerIt's true. A sad true and even worse:
Flakka (Alpha-pvp) makes you eat the faces of a couple.
Krokodil (Desomorphin) makes you become a sick crocodile with green foul flesh.
If you take both a lot, you are Russian.

 

[Frit Buchner]

There was some confusion about 2 different chemicals who's names are virtually identical. It seems that the posts were deleted, but I still want to talk about it. This

is cas# 33809-96-0. 4-Methyl-1-phenylpentan-1-one
2-bromo-4-methylpentanophenone. It may be a precursors to a-pvp.
Then there is

1451-82-7 2-bromo-1-(4-methylphenyl)propan-1-one. 2-bromo-4-methylpropriophenone. Precursor to 4-mmc.
It's easy to see how a person could misunderstand which chemical we are talking about
1. Bromo-valerophenone
2. 2-bromo-4- methylpropriophenone

 

[Cranston]

There was some confusion about 2 different chemicals who's names are virtually identical. It seems that the posts were deleted, but I still want to talk about it. This View attachment 31063 is cas# 33809-96-0. 4-Methyl-1-phenylpentan-1-one
2-bromo-4-methylpentanophenone.

Frit Buchner

It may be a precursors to a-pvp.

CAS 33809-96-0 is supposedly a precursor for alpha-pihp.
Structurally it is the analogue for well known and easy available CAS 49851-31-2 as precursor to alpha-pvp.
But nobody confirmed it yet and as CAS 33809-96-0 is really impossible to get, the actual synthesis may be different. It would be very interesting to know how.
Maybe the chemistry experts can help?

Then there is View attachment 31064
1451-82-7 2-bromo-1-(4-methylphenyl)propan-1-one. 2-bromo-4-methylpropriophenone. Precursor to 4-mmc.
It's easy to see how a person could misunderstand which chemical we are talking about
1. Bromo-valerophenone
2. 2-bromo-4- methylpropriophenone

Thank you for the elaboration.
You are right of course about the confusion because of the virtually identical names. I didn't know about the dark mode

But: Why have the posts been deleted?

 

[Frit Buchner]

CAS 33809-96-0 is supposedly a precursor for alpha-pihp.
Structurally it is the analogue for well known and easy available CAS 49851-31-2 as precursor to alpha-pvp.
But nobody confirmed it yet and as CAS 33809-96-0 is really impossible to get, the actual synthesis may be different. It would be very interesting to know how.
Maybe the chemistry experts can help?

Thank you for the elaboration.
You are right of course about the confusion because of the virtually identical names. I didn't know about the dark mode

But: Why have the posts been deleted?

CranstonSomeone (whoever posted the first cas#) seemed pretty upset that I said it didn't appear to be a valid #. I got 0 hits for it in a search, which I mistakenly took to mean it didn't exist. It doesn't exist in the US, but he did link some Chinese chemical companies that make it. If I recall correctly it's a hexanophenone, so it's got a long side chain, 6 carbons. It's been thoroughly demonstrated that the SAR/QSAR for phenylethylamines shows activity peaks at 3-4 carbons on the side chain, so it would need to lose several. I'm not a chemist, but I play one in my kitchen and I know how to remove 1 carbon at a time and how to remove all of them at once. There's probably a way to remove exactly 3, I haven't actually looked. I have about 3.5 grams of some pills here that are [ fuck I forget but it's a phenyl] benzoate with a 26 carbon side chain I would like to do something with if anyone knows how. Edit; duh, it's benzonotate, a cough medicine