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MDMA & Marijuana

MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine), commonly known as ecstasy or molly, works by affecting the brain's neurotransmitters, leading to its characteristic effects on mood, perception, and energy.

MDMA's most profound effects are largely due to its action on the serotonin system. Serotonin is a neurotransmitter associated with mood regulation, empathy, and feelings of well-being. MDMA causes a massive release of serotonin from nerve cells into the brain, which contributes to the drug's mood-enhancing effects, including feelings of happiness, emotional warmth, and empathy towards others. Additionally, MDMA inhibits the reuptake of serotonin, allowing it to remain in the synaptic cleft (the space between neurons) for longer periods, intensifying its effects.

While serotonin release is a primary mechanism of MDMA, it also increases levels of dopamine and norepinephrine. Dopamine plays a key role in the reward system of the brain, affecting pleasure, motivation, and energy. The increased release of dopamine under the influence of MDMA contributes to the drug's euphoric and stimulating effects.

Norepinephrine affects heart rate and blood pressure, which are elevated during MDMA use, contributing to increased energy and alertness. However, these effects can also lead to some of the adverse physical reactions associated with MDMA, such as increased heart rate, high blood pressure, and the risk of dehydration and hyperthermia.

MDMA has been shown to have additional effects on the brain, including:
  • Inhibition of the enzyme monoamine oxidase A (MAO-A), which breaks down serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine, further increasing their levels.
  • Indirect effects on the hormone oxytocin, which may contribute to feelings of closeness and social bonding observed in MDMA users.
  • Modulation of the brain's stress response, which can affect perceptions of emotional and physical pain.
While MDMA can offer profound subjective experiences, it also poses significant risks, particularly with repeated or high-dose use. One of the most concerning aspects is its potential for neurotoxicity, especially to serotonin neurons. Animal studies have shown that prolonged exposure to high doses of MDMA can lead to long-lasting decreases in brain serotonin levels, which could be indicative of serotonin neurotoxicity. This has implications for mood, memory, and cognitive functions in users.

Moreover, the acute effects of MDMA such as hyperthermia, dehydration, and electrolyte imbalance can lead to severe health complications, including, in rare cases, fatal outcomes. The comedown from MDMA, as serotonin levels drop, can also lead to feelings of depression and anxiety in the days following use.


Marijuana, derived from the Cannabis sativa or Cannabis indica plant, contains several psychoactive compounds, with delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) being the most prominent and primarily responsible for its psychoactive effects. Cannabidiol (CBD) is another significant component, known for its potential therapeutic effects without causing a high. The effects of marijuana on the brain and body are complex, involving multiple molecular pathways and biological systems.

The primary mechanism through which marijuana exerts its effects is through interaction with the body's endocannabinoid system (ECS). The ECS plays a critical role in regulating various physiological and cognitive processes, including appetite, pain sensation, mood, and memory. It consists of cannabinoid receptors (CB1 and CB2), endogenous cannabinoids (endocannabinoids), and enzymes responsible for the synthesis and degradation of endocannabinoids.
  • CB1 Receptors: These are primarily found in the brain and central nervous system but also in some peripheral tissues. THC binds to CB1 receptors, mimicking the effects of endocannabinoids. This interaction affects the release of neurotransmitters in the brain, leading to the psychoactive effects of marijuana, such as euphoria, altered perception, and increased appetite.
  • CB2 Receptors: These are mainly located in the immune system and peripheral organs. While THC can also bind to CB2 receptors, the psychoactive effects are primarily through CB1. CB2 receptor activation is more associated with anti-inflammatory and immune-modulating effects.

By binding to cannabinoid receptors, especially CB1 receptors in the brain, THC can modulate the release of various neurotransmitters, including dopamine, GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid), and glutamate. This modulation can lead to:
  • Increased dopamine release, contributing to the euphoric and pleasurable sensations associated with marijuana use.
  • Inhibition of GABA release, a neurotransmitter that normally acts as a brake on neurotransmission. Its inhibition can result in increased neural activity and the psychoactive effects of THC.
  • Alteration in glutamate levels, affecting learning, memory, and brain plasticity.


When MDMA and Marijuana are used together, the interaction between these substances can be complex due to their differing mechanisms of action:
  1. Synergistic Effects: Some users report that marijuana can potentiate the euphoric and empathogenic effects of MDMA, possibly by enhancing mood and sensory perception through the combined action on serotonin and cannabinoid receptors.
  2. Modulation of Side Effects: Marijuana might help in mitigating some of the adverse effects associated with MDMA use, such as nausea, anxiety, and the comedown phase, by inducing relaxation and reducing anxiety.
  3. Increased Neurotoxicity Risk: Concurrent use might exacerbate the potential neurotoxic effects of MDMA, as marijuana has been shown to affect cognitive functions and, when used heavily, might contribute to cognitive deficits.
Possible Benefits
  • Enhanced sensory and emotional experiences, leveraging the empathogenic effects of MDMA with the sensory-enhancing qualities of marijuana.
  • Reduction in negative side effects of MDMA, such as anxiety and discomfort during the comedown.
Side Effects and Dangers
  • Increased Cognitive Impairment: Both substances can impair cognitive functions; their combined use may exacerbate this effect.
  • Exacerbation of Mental Health Issues: Individuals with or predisposed to mental health conditions may experience worsened symptoms. There is a risk of manifestation of psychotic states.
  • Increased Cardiac Stress: Both MDMA and cannabis can increase heart rate, potentially leading to increased cardiac stress.
  • Dehydration and Hyperthermia: MDMA's stimulant effects can lead to dehydration and hyperthermia, which may be overlooked if the user is experiencing the sedative effects of cannabis.
In conclusion, while the combination of MDMA and marijuana may offer certain perceived benefits, it's crucial to be aware of the potential for increased side effects and risks. The interaction of these substances can vary greatly among individuals, influenced by factors such as dosage, purity of the substances, individual physiology, and the context of use. With experience, adequate dosages and basic rules of harm reduction, this combination can give a new and interesting recreational experience. Otherwise, this combination can create problems with pastime and health.

🟢 Given the above, we can carefully state that this combination may be a good idea under certain conditions.
🟡 We recommend a meaningful approach to this combination.
 
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A have this combined, a was with my friend i was looking to other people and i have thinking that all people hate us. We were in bus coming from airport, i wanted to go away but i knew is not possible after my eyes had attack i cant look anywhere. After we get from bus we had listening songs and i thought that i am alone just with me friend. It was feeling like love. Then i had feeling that i cant left him. I couldn't tear myself away from him. Strange.
 

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A have this combined, a was with my friend i was looking to other people and i have thinking that all people hate us. We were in bus coming from airport, i wanted to go away but i knew is not possible after my eyes had attack i cant look anywhere. After we get from bus we had listening songs and i thought that i am alone just with me friend. It was feeling like love. Then i had feeling that i cant left him. I couldn't tear myself away from him. Strange.
amphmnamiiYes, it can be very strange and confusing from the emotional sphere. Thank you for sharing your experience!
 
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Yes, it can be very strange and confusing from the emotional sphere. Thank you for sharing your experience!
ParacelsusI must add and information that, we were at airport where was about 24 celsia. When we were going outside where was really cold like 4 celsia, the temperature changed all. Everything was so cold.
 

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I must add and information that, we were at airport where was about 24 celsia. When we were going outside where was really cold like 4 celsia, the temperature changed all. Everything was so cold.
amphmnamiiWow, such temperature changes are exactly what the vascular system of the body does not need under the of mdma
 
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