How best to acquire certain chemicals

[Mr Gonzo]

What is the best way to get nitro methane, and other solvents like DCM Etc in UK?

 

[The-Hive]

Nitromethane get it from RC fuel and DCM is on eBay

 

[gumarabic]

Nitromethane get it from RC fuel and DCM is on eBay

The-HiveDCM banned in UK

 

[The-Hive]

DCM banned in UK

gumarabicSince when

 

[gumarabic]

Since when

The-HiveNot banned but need special license or need a company, I think the ban came about in 2018? Maybe, I'm probably wrong. It got banned because of enviromental concerns with atmosphere, same time everything else like sulphuric acid got banned.

Cant even buy DCM based paint strippers without a license or a painting company.

 

[The-Hive]

Not banned but need special license or need a company, I think the ban came about in 2018? Maybe, I'm probably wrong. It got banned because of enviromental concerns with atmosphere, same time everything else like sulphuric acid got banned.

Cant even buy DCM based paint strippers without a license or a painting company.

gumarabicDamn I’ve been away for too long

 

[Mr Gonzo]

Damn I’ve been away for too long

The-HiveACP still sell but require a declaration for its use, basically if your answers good enough they still sell to common people like Joe blogg's. But having a good answers up for debate and the company interpretation, and if they feel it is a valid reason to sell.

 

[beherit]

Nitromethane get it from RC fuel and DCM is on eBay

The-HiveDCM is also banned in Brazil. The shitty thing is that many synthesis uses DCM but dont give an alternative to it.

 

[The-Hive]

DCM is also banned in Brazil. The shitty thing is that many synthesis uses DCM but dont give an alternative to it.

beheritToluene

 

[gumarabic]

Distill RC fuel, you wont get alot but in comparison its cheap. I've done it plenty of times, you will first distill a methanol/nitromethane azeatrope at around 60-70 then once the temps reach 100C you will begin to distill over pure nitro. Make sure to use a vigreux column.

For DCM, order from constantylious777. He will ship it to you from Poland very cheap

 

[Mr Gonzo]

Distill RC fuel, you wont get alot but in comparison its cheap. I've done it plenty of times, you will first distill a methanol/nitromethane azeatrope at around 60-70 then once the temps reach 100C you will begin to distill over pure nitro. Make sure to use a vigreux column.

For DCM, order from constantylious777. He will ship it to you from Poland very cheap

gumarabicRC fuels like 16 to 20% from most places, however I have got a company that sells RC boat fuel. Thats like 60% nitro, and 5 liters costs near £200!!! But this is how I have got Nitro up to now, long distillations of RC fuel multiple times.
Worst part is 1Ltr of 20% nitro yields maybe 120ml if your good, but the density is always of so you know that azeotrope with methanol is still contaminating your nitro.

 

[gumarabic]

RC fuels like 16 to 20% from most places, however I have got a company that sells RC boat fuel. Thats like 60% nitro, and 5 liters costs near £200!!! But this is how I have got Nitro up to now, long distillations of RC fuel multiple times.
Worst part is 1Ltr of 20% nitro yields maybe 120ml if your good, but the density is always of so you know that azeotrope with methanol is still contaminating your nitro.

Mr GonzoWould you say you still get contamination with a vigreux column?

 

[Mr Gonzo]

Would you say you still get contamination with a vigreux column?

gumarabicSorry I have to laugh at that because I hate azeotropes, yes 100% you get contamination. The fact that methanol and nitromethane even forms one should tell you this, even molecular sieves cannot be applied to remove the remaining % of methanol, and trust me I did try.

Maybe if you get a column 2mtrs tall and distill for a week multiple times you'll get close, but weigh it in a grad cylinder on a balance. You will never hit the density of pure nitro ever.

Sorry if this is bad news, good news is the methanol 99.9% of the time is a minor inconvenience. So, just get to as close to the density as you can and it's still usable nitro!

 

[gumarabic]

Sorry I have to laugh at that because I hate azeotropes, yes 100% you get contamination. The fact that methanol and nitromethane even forms one should tell you this, even molecular sieves cannot be applied to remove the remaining % of methanol, and trust me I did try.

Maybe if you get a column 2mtrs tall and distill for a week multiple times you'll get close, but weigh it in a grad cylinder on a balance. You will never hit the density of pure nitro ever.

Sorry if this is bad news, good news is the methanol 99.9% of the time is a minor inconvenience. So, just get to as close to the density as you can and it's still usable nitro!

Mr GonzoFor my purposes methanol is no issue, do you know any situations where it is a problem other than stoichiometry?

 

[Mr Gonzo]

For my purposes methanol is no issue, do you know any situations where it is a problem other than stoichiometry?

gumarabicYes I do just one really, in the fermentation of biomass to produce ethanol for consumption. 15ml is enough to make you blind and kill you, so thats my only concern with methanol really. Have not finished my degree yet so, maybe somebody with more knowledge will comment and give another example for you?

 

[gumarabic]

Yes I do just one really, in the fermentation of biomass to produce ethanol for consumption. 15ml is enough to make you blind and kill you, so thats my only concern with methanol really. Have not finished my degree yet so, maybe somebody with more knowledge will comment and give another example for you?

Mr GonzoShould have been more specific, I mean where does methanol contamination of nitromethane become an issue in reactions you would use nitro for.

 

[CryoThio]

I haven't done this, can't prove it works, but from my reading it seems to work. You can order N-methylacetamide from where one orders chemicals, foreign auction sites are good, and hydrolyze it with an acid or base, iirc, into acetic acid and methylamine. It works the same as making methylamine from N-methylformamide.

You might want to consider either finding a substitute chemical, or ordering through the black market for dcm. Ether works a lot of the time, but has its own issues that need a bit of extra caution.

 

[Mr Gonzo]

I haven't done this, can't prove it works, but from my reading it seems to work. You can order N-methylacetamide from where one orders chemicals, foreign auction sites are good, and hydrolyze it with an acid or base, iirc, into acetic acid and methylamine. It works the same as making methylamine from N-methylformamide.

You might want to consider either finding a substitute chemical, or ordering through the black market for dcm. Ether works a lot of the time, but has its own issues that need a bit of extra caution.

CryoThioI have an old college organic chemistry book gifted from the closed down chem Dept at the college I attended. That is a manual for how to make everything.
The method requires monochloroacetic acid, sodium nitrite and sodium carbonate, this has been explained in detail by G.Patton on a thread on here.
There's a few other methods but buying would be easier.

 

[Gordon Ramsay]

What is the best way to get nitro methane, and other solvents like DCM Etc in UK?

Mr GonzoI can imagine that it is only possible to buy those within the UK against proof of a commercial license.
There is lots of Nitroethane/Nitromethane sold on Ebay but many sellers ask for some form of proof.

This would be easy to fake tho I guess, you can try to find register numbers of companies that might have something to do with any use case of the chemical but do not have a web presence so that it is hard to find contacts. You can find those numbers on several websites, there must be nation specific websites for only UK companies but surely also EU specific websites for all registered companies in the EU. I'd try this only when ordering to an adress that can not be associated with me

Another option is Germany, Poland or China. There are many vendors in each of those countries that can ship those chemicals to you which might be willing to relabel them.
I have just shipped around 30 boxes containing 1x20L container each box with Methanol, Ethanol, Methylamine and similar liquid chemicals. I have simply labeled them as cleaning supplies and all of them have passed from Poland via Germany to Belgium.

As the transport of those goods in terms of logistical transfer from country to country is not illegal but rather just restricted this could give you another possibility.
You can do it the classic way and purchase it in a country like Poland from a company that will not ask you questions, get official export/import documents and ship it with an official courier..there are also lots of private couriers active on Ebay that drive weekly from Poland back to UK and vice versa, if you find one that still has capacities in his truck you could book the space quite cheap, they also ask less questions usually.
In this case I would use stolen or fake company data for the courier aswell as an adress that appears coprorate but can not be associated with me.

I hope this could help

 

[Mr Gonzo]

I can imagine that it is only possible to buy those within the UK against proof of a commercial license.
There is lots of Nitroethane/Nitromethane sold on Ebay but many sellers ask for some form of proof.

This would be easy to fake tho I guess, you can try to find register numbers of companies that might have something to do with any use case of the chemical but do not have a web presence so that it is hard to find contacts. You can find those numbers on several websites, there must be nation specific websites for only UK companies but surely also EU specific websites for all registered companies in the EU. I'd try this only when ordering to an adress that can not be associated with me

Another option is Germany, Poland or China. There are many vendors in each of those countries that can ship those chemicals to you which might be willing to relabel them.
I have just shipped around 30 boxes containing 1x20L container each box with Methanol, Ethanol, Methylamine and similar liquid chemicals. I have simply labeled them as cleaning supplies and all of them have passed from Poland via Germany to Belgium.

As the transport of those goods in terms of logistical transfer from country to country is not illegal but rather just restricted this could give you another possibility.
You can do it the classic way and purchase it in a country like Poland from a company that will not ask you questions, get official export/import documents and ship it with an official courier..there are also lots of private couriers active on Ebay that drive weekly from Poland back to UK and vice versa, if you find one that still has capacities in his truck you could book the space quite cheap, they also ask less questions usually.
In this case I would use stolen or fake company data for the courier aswell as an adress that appears coprorate but can not be associated with me.

I hope this could help

Gordon RamsayAll these things are very true unfortunately in the UK, the methods you describe are ways around these issues 100%

The alternative way is to us sythn's that skip nitration's, but some like making DOM, Mescaline those styrene's won't nitrate under the pure will and determination of a underground chemist alone. They do take these banned precursors & chemicals that are hard to acquire, and just possession of them is as bad as the prosecution for the compounds we are in love with making! And just the same as that the methods you describe are subject to the same B.S via the laws of fraud etc, because if someone is willing to acquire the charge over possessing those chemicals. Then two charges and imprisonment will not deter the most determined of underground chemist's.

Relabeling of of a substance knowingly is just as bad as the fraudulent documents and permits all the same, and I have been told nothing will piss a judge off more than a defense of ignorance !

Still good info and/or idea's on how people do acquire these chemicals, just wish it was a bit more liberal to do things in life, I looked on the nasal decongestants in the shops today. Not one shop sells pseudophedrine or ethedrine in any of those meds, this is in UK where meth smurfs do not exist.

 

[Gordon Ramsay]

All these things are very true unfortunately in the UK, the methods you describe are ways around these issues 100%

The alternative way is to us sythn's that skip nitration's, but some like making DOM, Mescaline those styrene's won't nitrate under the pure will and determination of a underground chemist alone. They do take these banned precursors & chemicals that are hard to acquire, and just possession of them is as bad as the prosecution for the compounds we are in love with making! And just the same as that the methods you describe are subject to the same B.S via the laws of fraud etc, because if someone is willing to acquire the charge over possessing those chemicals. Then two charges and imprisonment will not deter the most determined of underground chemist's.

Relabeling of of a substance knowingly is just as bad as the fraudulent documents and permits all the same, and I have been told nothing will piss a judge off more than a defense of ignorance !

Still good info and/or idea's on how people do acquire these chemicals, just wish it was a bit more liberal to do things in life, I looked on the nasal decongestants in the shops today. Not one shop sells pseudophedrine or ethedrine in any of those meds, this is in UK where meth smurfs do not exist.

Mr GonzoThere is a difference between a chemical being banned or actually just restricted for use outside of the commercial world.
With Nitroethane or Nitromethane being an important chemical generally I can not imagine it being just banned.

There is surely a way around it to just import it legally

 

[zagar]

All these things are very true unfortunately in the UK, the methods you describe are ways around these issues 100%

The alternative way is to us sythn's that skip nitration's, but some like making DOM, Mescaline those styrene's won't nitrate under the pure will and determination of a underground chemist alone. They do take these banned precursors & chemicals that are hard to acquire, and just possession of them is as bad as the prosecution for the compounds we are in love with making! And just the same as that the methods you describe are subject to the same B.S via the laws of fraud etc, because if someone is willing to acquire the charge over possessing those chemicals. Then two charges and imprisonment will not deter the most determined of underground chemist's.

Relabeling of of a substance knowingly is just as bad as the fraudulent documents and permits all the same, and I have been told nothing will piss a judge off more than a defense of ignorance !

Still good info and/or idea's on how people do acquire these chemicals, just wish it was a bit more liberal to do things in life, I looked on the nasal decongestants in the shops today. Not one shop sells pseudophedrine or ethedrine in any of those meds, this is in UK where meth smurfs do not exist.

Mr GonzoI can get pseudoephedrine for you but it's sustained release and it also has levocetrizine in it but in exchange you have to show me how to extract pseudoephedrine from those pills.

 

[Mr Gonzo]

I can get pseudoephedrine for you but it's sustained release and it also has levocetrizine in it but in exchange you have to show me how to extract pseudoephedrine from those pills.

zagarMr GonzoI can get pseudoephedrine for you but it's sustained release and it also has levocetrizine in it but in exchange you have to show me how to extract pseudoephedrine from those pills.

Mate I only mentioned the lack of pseudo because I was interested in the crack down on those here in the UK! And if you can not extract a ingredient from a tablet, then going ahead with trying to convert said compound into another would be a waste of time and dangerous, not to mention irresponsible of myself to tell a person who clearly has not got the knowledge to be playing with chemistry.

 

[Constantylious777]

Not a problem for me to send it to UK. do it regulary as well as other chemicals

 

[bblanco]

Are those chemicals shipped from the UK to the European destination or “drop shipped” within EU borders … With Poland as start point ?