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[Dbcooper1969]

can black tar be turn into #3 and or #4. if its possible can someone please tell me how to do it thanks guys any info would be great

 

[Midget_Impinger]

First off - worst possible thread title. You gotta try harder than that, lol.

Regarding the BHT to real heroin - I guess "technically" yes, it can be, but there are a few reasons that it's just not sensible or desirable.

First off, "black tar heroin" really isn't heroin at all (at least it rarely contains heroin). If you're familiar with the heroin manufacturing process, it consists of taking the raw poppy sap and processing it to extract the morphine, then reacting the morphine with acetic anhydride to acetylate the hydroxyl groups of the morphine at locations 3 and 6.
BTH is apparently what happens if you just skip the morphine extraction process altogether and try to process the raw poppy sap itself. And sometimes they don't even use acetic anhydride, but glacial acetic acid (or even just vinegar).

Some sources say that they started doing this because the United States locked down the sale of Acetic Anhydride and so the cooks tried using GAA or vinegar instead, resulting in the BHT you know of today. But I'm not so sure about this (I mean, come on... they can get the precursors to make methamphetamine and fentanyl, but they can't get their grubby cartel fingers on acetic anhydride? bullshit).

So could you technically take the tar and process it into heroin? Sure. But..... you would have to get a lot of it since you're basically treating it as the raw sap, and you would have to either extract the morphine and continue with that, or you could extract the monoacetylmorphines and re-acetylate that to get the crude heroin.

But why bother? Even though BHT looks like total shit, some of it is actually pretty good and even more potent than real heroin. This is because it contains a lot of 6-MAM, which is more potent than heroin (src):

6-MAM occurs as a metabolite of heroin. Once it has passed first-pass metabolism, 6-MAM is then metabolized into morphine or excreted in urine.

Heroin is rapidly metabolized by esterase enzymes in the brain and has an extremely short half-life. It has also relatively weak affinity to μ-opioid receptors because the 3-hydroxy group, essential for effective binding to the receptor, is masked by the acetyl group. Therefore, heroin acts as a pro-drug, serving as a lipophilic transporter for the systemic delivery of morphine, which actively binds with μ-opioid receptors.

6-MAM already has a free 3-hydroxy group and shares the high lipophilicity of heroin, so it penetrates the brain just as quickly and does not need to be deacetylated at the 6-position in order to be bioactivated; this makes 6-MAM somewhat more potent than heroin.

... and due to the lack of processing and purification, it contains a flurry of other opiates in there that usually get stripped out during the heroin manufacturing process when the morphine is extracted (remember, it's not a bug, it's a feature!). These other opiate alkaloids can result in one hell of a high (enough so to cause an overdose even..)

Here's a thread on Bluelight that you might fine relevant: Anyone have any experience with pure 6-Monoacetylmorphine?

Hope I answered your question.

 

[Midget_Impinger]

First off - worst possible thread title. You gotta try harder than that, lol.

Regarding the BHT to real heroin - I guess "technically" yes, it can be, but there are a few reasons that it's just not sensible or desirable.

First off, "black tar heroin" really isn't heroin at all (at least it rarely contains heroin). If you're familiar with the heroin manufacturing process, it consists of taking the raw poppy sap and processing it to extract the morphine, then reacting the morphine with acetic anhydride to acetylate the hydroxyl groups of the morphine at locations 3 and 6.
BTH is apparently what happens if you just skip the morphine extraction process altogether and try to process the raw poppy sap itself. And sometimes they don't even use acetic anhydride, but glacial acetic acid (or even just vinegar).

Some sources say that they started doing this because the United States locked down the sale of Acetic Anhydride and so the cooks tried using GAA or vinegar instead, resulting in the BHT you know of today. But I'm not so sure about this (I mean, come on... they can get the precursors to make methamphetamine and fentanyl, but they can't get their grubby cartel fingers on acetic anhydride? bullshit).

So could you technically take the tar and process it into heroin? Sure. But..... you would have to get a lot of it since you're basically treating it as the raw sap, and you would have to either extract the morphine and continue with that, or you could extract the monoacetylmorphines and re-acetylate that to get the crude heroin.

But why bother? Even though BHT looks like total shit, some of it is actually pretty good and even more potent than real heroin. This is because it contains a lot of 6-MAM, which is more potent than heroin (src):


... and due to the lack of processing and purification, it contains a flurry of other opiates in there that usually get stripped out during the heroin manufacturing process when the morphine is extracted (remember, it's not a bug, it's a feature!). These other opiate alkaloids can result in one hell of a high (enough so to cause an overdose even..)

Here's a thread on Bluelight that you might fine relevant: Anyone have any experience with pure 6-Monoacetylmorphine?

Hope I answered your question.

Midget_ImpingerI realize I said "BHT" instead of "BTH" like twice in there... sorry. It was late at night.

 

[None]

I only have access to acetic acid, is morphine and acetic reflux not practical?

 

[Plinius]

I only have access to acetic acid, is morphine and acetic reflux not practical?

NoneDon't be offended, but are you conscious it is the 3rd time you are asking the question on this forum ?
The answer is no, and the logical deduction is : acetic acid is far easiest to get than Ac2O consequently, if almost everybody is using this chemical, there is a reason

 

[Fastfood]

Hey guys what are the chemicals to make fentanyl. And I have. 2 cas numbers to make it . Do I cook this raw material just like I cook carfent into fenty