Large-scale PMK/MDP2P synth questions

[msi]

From my limited knowledge, there are two best ways to create PMK/MDP2P: (For MDMA production)
One using Safrole and the other using PMK glycidate and hydrochloric acid (I think)


1. Does anyone know any good guides for either reactions
2. Am I correct when I say that the PMK glycidate method creates Racemic MDP2P? If so, how can I turn it into regular MDP2P
3. Does anyone know any good suppliers/places to get the chemicals required for large-scale?

Thanks!

 

[WillD]

From my limited knowledge, there are two best ways to create PMK/MDP2P: (For MDMA production)
One using Safrole and the other using PMK glycidate and hydrochloric acid (I think)

msiGlycidate easier

1. Does anyone know any good guides for either reactions

There are several routes, we will proceed from the availability of reagents in your region

2. Am I correct when I say that the PMK glycidate method creates Racemic MDP2P? If so, how can I turn it into regular MDP2P

All variants racemate

3. Does anyone know any good suppliers/places to get the chemicals required for large-scale?

If the start is glycidate, we can try to help. Write in PM

 

[artificialmango]

Glycidate easier

There are several routes, we will proceed from the availability of reagents in your region

All variants racemate

If the start is glycidate, we can try to help. Write in PM

William DampierI would very much be interested in the same advice, could I write to you in PM?

 

[Mikrobiome]

Same

 

[HCL]

Same

somebody can post some good suppliers for pmk glycidate?

 

[WillD]

somebody can post some good suppliers for pmk glycidate?

HCLCreate a ticket

 

[Gus_Fring]

so... it seems i have the same problem as many people has... the new ETHYL GLY is hard to get proper results...i have the same issue as other posts here, this brown dense oil which looks very dirty... the recipe i followed:

-MIX 1.4 LT water and 240 gr NaOH and 1 kg eth-gly-pmk at 80º for an hour
- add 650g HCL at 80º mix an hour too (is not too muich hcl?)
-then separator
-then brine wash+ water wash 2 times
-separator
-then vacuum distill (not done yet because i didnt be sure that ive made ok)
-then separator , thats to remove acidity (why...i already did the brine.... dont know)
-then again 500 ml water and separator
-the vacuum distill till all water goes
-voila


this is the recipe i had from my pmk seller... but qhen i asked some unclear details , he dont knw..he just sale it.

so my questions here:

suggestions for all the steps ? like temperatures , times and other advices?
i readed here to add the hcl at the same temp of the first step, could be that the key to obtain clear oil?

tnx guys

 

[WillD]

suggestions for all the steps ? like temperatures , times and other advices?
i readed here to add the hcl at the same temp of the first step, could be that the key to obtain clear oil?

Gus_FringTry to start the temperature of the reaction with sodium hydroxide at 20-21*C, and add the time up to 12 hours.

 

[Mikrobiome]

Try to start the temperature of the reaction with sodium hydroxide at 20-21*C, and add the time up to 12 hours.

William DampierWhich time? The mixing with hydroxide time, the mixing with hcl time, or what?

 

[artificialmango]

I tried to PM you with some pretty critical questions but havent heard back in weeks... Is there another way in which to directly contact you or other experts? There is a process I have mapped out and i would like to have it validated by experienced eyes if possible.

Create a ticket

William Dampier

 

[Selassi]

U can try posting it here, i bet there are some people here with xp in this field...

 

[Honolulu98]

Perhaps we need a video on how to synthesize the new Chinese PMK to MDMA, it would solve many doubts.

I would be encouraged to do it if someone shows me step by step, I have 1kg of PMK since January and it is untouched.

 

[WillD]

Perhaps we need a video on how to synthesize the new Chinese PMK to MDMA, it would solve many doubts.

Honolulu98Simple reaction. The problem is raw materials.

I would be encouraged to do it if someone shows me step by step, I have 1kg of PMK since January and it is untouched.

CAS number of substance, in PM, so as not to flood here. If we do this, publish it here.

 

[Honolulu98]

Simple reaction. The problem is raw materials.

CAS number of substance, in PM, so as not to flood here. If we will do this, publish it here.

William Dampier
the CAS number of the substance I have is: 28578-16-7

I can get the materials that are needed without much problem, I'm good at searching.

I would love to be able to provide some help to the forum regarding this issue, there is nothing clear about the production of MDMA and some photos/videos would be good for the community. Or a tutor to guide us step by step and then post it on the forum. I would encourage you to document it.

 

[Darkie1990]

Try to start the temperature of the reaction with sodium hydroxide at 20-21*C, and add the time up to 12 hours.

William DampierSo dh2o with sodium hydroxide mix at 20*C and add pmk glycidate at this temp? If so do you heat up in those 12 hours to 80*C? Or you keep it at 20*C for 12 hours?

 

[callmecharlie]

My interpretation from what William has said, is to keep it at 20 degrees (room temp) for 12 hours. So no, don’t heat.

 

[IM BATMAN]

Try to start the temperature of the reaction with sodium hydroxide at 20-21*C, and add the time up to 12 hours.

William Dampierbut this could work maybe for old pmk.... this new waxy stuff will not melt at 20ªc.... IMO the minimun temp. should be just above the melting point of this stuff...33º ...otherwise we will do the saponification incorrectly, withour the wax melted i mean.... im right?

 

[WillD]

A freshly prepared aqueous solution of alkali will give a temperature. If we cooled the solution, at a low temperature, the reaction should also go.

 

[IM BATMAN]

A freshly prepared aqueous solution of alkali will give a temperature. If we cooled the solution, at a low temperature, the reaction should also go.

William Dampierbut the problem is that the short upscale in temp given by the NAOH is not enough for melt it.... its a big and solid rock normally , and mortering that its a pain... very dificult since it sticks everywhere

 

[WillD]

but the problem is that the short upscale in temp given by the NAOH is not enough for melt it.... its a big and solid rock normally , and mortering that its a pain... very dificult since it sticks everywhere

IM BATMANCan be done at any temperature, starting at room temperature. The higher the temperature, the faster the reaction, but also the greater the chance of getting by-products.