p2np not dissolving, my first synthese.

[enzym]

how can i add someone to give their opinion ? i would like to add/ mention 2 members on this topic .
@gpatreon
the other guy i will search

 

[G.Patton]

how can i add someone to give their opinion ? i would like to add/ mention 2 members on this topic .
@gpatreon
the other guy i will search

enzymWho is @gpatreon? lol

In general, I agree with @Never to sleep . In my opinion, you can clean up your lab from Hg and continue with all security measures. In accordance with your reaction load, I don't think that you polluted too much.

 

[G.Patton]

What do you mean about checking yourself ( Hg in final product)?
I can only check the purity of the end product by checking the boiling point.
But if boiling point is not achieved at the desired temperature range, the only Thing i know is that its inpure ( could be other impurities from the proces).
I'm not an chemist , every info i adapted is from this forum.

Also i'm so insecure about the Hg residue, here where i live its all/only bmk leukart reaction in mass scale production. and getting a impure product ( they skip a lot of end processes for cleaning, due to less time wasting and more quantity making.
Thats the main reasing i want to make it myself ( even tho it costs me more to do it myself , than buy some shitty wet paste.

Also can i store the(leftover) ipa/aceton sulphur acid solution for further synthesis?
And the storage of Hg chloride would be oke in airtight bottle( at room temperature) ?

And whats the reason why a premixter of the solution IPA, p2np ,H20, GAA cant be used ? ( like maded the night before)

And the main reason for adding the GAA just before solution go's into amalgam ?

thank u.

enzym

What do you mean about checking yourself ( Hg in final product)?

Yes, exactly

Also can i store the(leftover) ipa/aceton sulphur acid solution for further synthesis?

ofc no

And the storage of Hg chloride would be oke in airtight bottle( at room temperature) ?

yes

You can don't use GAA at all as I said in my tutorial here.

 

[enzym]

will do another synthesis (if im lucky 2) tomorow.
also a big concern of me is mercury in the end product.
will wash my amalgam 2X.
and will use hot IPA to disolve the p2np.

 

[enzym]

will do another synthesis (if im lucky 2) tomorow.
also a big concern of me is mercury in the end product.
will wash my amalgam 2X.
and will use hot IPA to disolve the p2np.

enzymOke thank u for the input. in my first synthese/ first try. i used colled IPA and mixed a lot with glass rod, but didnt dissolve ( the p2np). Then i heated it op ( with in the back of my head that IPA boiling point is only 60 degrees),
did a Mcguyver and tried to somehow to heaten it up in the 1L heating mantle ( did it in a 3headed 250ml flask).
Did it on the lowest setting , but i think it was way to hot. ( was my first try using a heating meantle so i dont know the temperature range). It became verry burning in my eyes( so i stopped imideatly, health=more important).
(( the p2np was disolved , but after i removed it from the heating source it became a mushy fluffy solution))
question: is this normal ? or not ? ( the burning alcohol sensation in my eyes)

Again everything is new for me, was my first try with chemicals like p2np.
Tommorow will arive a 2l hotplate (with stearing) from amazon.

 

[enzym]

Also back to my first synthese, the solution ( adding alki to the p2np dissolved amalgam solution) it came with a clear layer on top wich i collected in iPA ratio 50/50.( for further synthese)
but the funny thing is , after i removed top layer, i stirred in the whole mixture and 24h later there is again an light yellow layer on top.

 

[Marvin "Popcorn" Sutton]

Also back to my first synthese, the solution ( adding alki to the p2np dissolved amalgam solution) it came with a clear layer on top wich i collected in iPA ratio 50/50.( for further synthese)
but the funny thing is , after i removed top layer, i stirred in the whole mixture and 24h later there is again an light yellow layer on top.

enzymWhat did you get from the two layers (clear and yellow)? Did you acidify it?

 

[enzym]

What did you get from the two layers (clear and yellow)? Did you acidify it?

Marvin "Popcorn" SuttonI dont know yet, i did not acidify it because i wouldnt take the time and effort to put in this failed try ( kept the 2 oil layers apart, will acidify them after my new synthese. then i have already a acid/aceton solution on hand so i dont waiste 3X the time for that. )
(( will acidify ofcourse them not toghetter in 1 mixter!))
And random note: kept the solution again for 24 hours , and another( but tinny and more darken yellowed) upper layer apeared.( this i will throw in waist with other content in beaker)

 

[enzym]

Today i did not try another attempt to make AMF.
Because its a holliday and good weather, so a lot of people where outside.
But i used this time usefull and maded a bucket with a water pump for my condensors so i dont waiste any water ( the exhaust water go's back into bucket and get sucked back up by waterpump to input condensor)

 

[enzym]

so today second try.
Again problems with p2np.
It did desolve completely , but then after i let it at room temperatuur it became again mushy.
Added the GAA, stirred on hot plate but not a big succes( GAA is disgusting smell thats extreme penetrant and stay long )
The amalgam was good but i maded a big mistake! After the rinsing i put a stop on flask nek to block oxygen from it ( i was putting on a raincoat @Never to sleep , en other gloves), then i put stop out, the shit almost exploded! high pressure and high temperatures were released. ( i was insecure to put p2np in since it was extremely hot), so i put it a second in cold waterbath to chill down a bit.
Then i added the mushy p2np but no imediatly interaction. only after intensive shaking the temp went up, in total i spend like an hour shaking to making it hot to cool down, if i would i was still shaking and cooling. ( much aluminium was left behind). guessed i missed the spot when to put p2np in amalgam.
Added the alki solution and gave it "one stir ", violant reaction ( a lot of bubling),
30min later: the upper layer was still forming, so i stirred 3 times.
Took 3 shouwers, ( get anxiety if i think about the Hg).
Now i am in my pj's and dont want to take a look ( vapors in my comfy pj's, and then going to sleep with it ....)

Questions:
-Is it normal that extreme temperature rise ( from amalgam)?
-If i added the p2np the temperature would be rising more from the interaction with amalgam ? / or is this not heat related ? ( the adding of p2np)
- Still so anxious as shit about this Hg vapor. i total inhaled like 5 times max. ( vapor , or in the room/gardenshed lol where vapor was still present),
can someone give me some numbres or information to calm me down? ( i know, not using Hg is best, but is not an option since i spent so much money in this settup/ method ( had to buy everything)

cheers

 

[G.Patton]

so today second try.
Again problems with p2np.
It did desolve completely , but then after i let it at room temperatuur it became again mushy.
Added the GAA, stirred on hot plate but not a big succes( GAA is disgusting smell thats extreme penetrant and stay long )
The amalgam was good but i maded a big mistake! After the rinsing i put a stop on flask nek to block oxygen from it ( i was putting on a raincoat @Never to sleep , en other gloves), then i put stop out, the shit almost exploded! high pressure and high temperatures were released. ( i was insecure to put p2np in since it was extremely hot), so i put it a second in cold waterbath to chill down a bit.
Then i added the mushy p2np but no imediatly interaction. only after intensive shaking the temp went up, in total i spend like an hour shaking to making it hot to cool down, if i would i was still shaking and cooling. ( much aluminium was left behind). guessed i missed the spot when to put p2np in amalgam.
Added the alki solution and gave it "one stir ", violant reaction ( a lot of bubling),
30min later: the upper layer was still forming, so i stirred 3 times.
Took 3 shouwers, ( get anxiety if i think about the Hg).
Now i am in my pj's and dont want to take a look ( vapors in my comfy pj's, and then going to sleep with it ....)

Questions:
-Is it normal that extreme temperature rise ( from amalgam)?
-If i added the p2np the temperature would be rising more from the interaction with amalgam ? / or is this not heat related ? ( the adding of p2np)
- Still so anxious as shit about this Hg vapor. i total inhaled like 5 times max. ( vapor , or in the room/gardenshed lol where vapor was still present),
can someone give me some numbres or information to calm me down? ( i know, not using Hg is best, but is not an option since i spent so much money in this settup/ method ( had to buy everything)

cheers

enzymHi. Do you mean temperature rising during amalgam formation?

-Is it normal that extreme temperature rise ( from amalgam)?

Yes, reduction reaction is very exothermic.

-If i added the p2np the temperature would be rising more from the interaction with amalgam ? / or is this not heat related ? ( the adding of p2np)

Why don't you use respirator? It is simple way to protect yourself.

- Still so anxious as shit about this Hg vapor. i total inhaled like 5 times max. ( vapor , or in the room/gardenshed lol where vapor was still present),
can someone give me some numbres or information to calm me down? ( i know, not using Hg is best, but is not an option since i spent so much money in this settup/ method ( had to buy everything)

 

[enzym]

Oke guys here is my update.
-the solution from second synthese ( had a lot of water in it at the bottom, but used some magnesium sulfate ((wich i later filterd off)), became almost imidiatly orange after 1 drip of acid solution ( ph was still high and funny thing was: i needed to ad a lot of acid/IPA solution to get it to 5-6..
-the 2 other solutions from my first synthese came out best lol.
--the first layer ( 24hours later/and diluted 1/1 with IPA) normale salt transformation.( with leftover liquid a litle pinky , so acidified a litle to much)
--the second layer( separation after 48hours later with no dilution in alcohol) became like almost the end product( the solution thickend up with acidification and became "wet speed paste"
still need to filter them and washed them, but will do that with my new next full synthese.

Question: there are 2 video's here ( AMF from AI/Hg). why does the one ad a little bit of water (50ml) with p2np and IPA ? ( the other doesnt ,and use p2np with only IPA((and the GAA...)).
What is the reason for adding a litle bit of watter ? @Marvin "Popcorn" Sutton @G.Patton .

 

[G.Patton]

Oke guys here is my update.
-the solution from second synthese ( had a lot of water in it at the bottom, but used some magnesium sulfate ((wich i later filterd off)), became almost imidiatly orange after 1 drip of acid solution ( ph was still high and funny thing was: i needed to ad a lot of acid/IPA solution to get it to 5-6..
-the 2 other solutions from my first synthese came out best lol.
--the first layer ( 24hours later/and diluted 1/1 with IPA) normale salt transformation.( with leftover liquid a litle pinky , so acidified a litle to much)
--the second layer( separation after 48hours later with no dilution in alcohol) became like almost the end product( the solution thickend up with acidification and became "wet speed paste"
still need to filter them and washed them, but will do that with my new next full synthese.

Question: there are 2 video's here ( AMF from AI/Hg). why does the one ad a little bit of water (50ml) with p2np and IPA ? ( the other doesnt ,and use p2np with only IPA((and the GAA...)).
What is the reason for adding a litle bit of watter ? @Marvin "Popcorn" Sutton @G.Patton .

enzym

there are 2 video's here ( AMF from AI/Hg). why does the one ad a little bit of water (50ml) with p2np and IPA ? ( the other doesnt ,and use p2np with only IPA((and the GAA...)).
What is the reason for adding a litle bit of watter ?

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