Pre-ban Cathinones. Unable to replicate. [bounty!]

[TheVacuumGuy]

Before i start:

@mocnykutas, @oxoxoxo @$!$], and the other associated accounts he's using to helpign no-one. instead : "how made is easy on poland no lab equipment big scale 3 hours" please STFU in this thread. find another one to bother!

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I still have some pre-ban stuff here (bought couple of k's last day before ban.

After all these years (around 4,5 or so, they still outperform anyhting 3/4 mmc on the market currently, in any possible way.

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I head to use IMGUR because the second image already crashed ("we run into problems") tried resizing to to 256px but same story. hopefully Heissi (@HEISENBERG) can lower the rate limiter a bit, and enable 3 letter searches as well, which is a big miss since almost all solvents, substances etc are 3-character
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https://imgur.com/zAxPvie

I've not seen anyone here yielding this stuff, or seen it around in "the scene" in the Netherlands.

Take a very good look (structure, fullness etc )

https://imgur.com/pqDXvYS

Oh man, gorgious

https://imgur.com/0l2ghjE

and again

https://imgur.com/3CuE8Vz

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Now the "fun" part
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This is about what i get (on a lucky day)

https://imgur.com/ropYLCl

Well, they're nice. and i'm happy that i learned this stuff and got some help from you guys, and now finally can produce something

https://imgur.com/HliO75A

Another one

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The following one is the closest i got (don't now how, some mistakes, and things went wrong but it was a lucky day).
(except for the fact that is does NOTHING. It could probably reuse it as bromoketone

https://imgur.com/dwPWkk9

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What was different about the stuff back then ( i believe when the chinese made it, and sometimes you got some stuff that tasted like cat piss, but EVEN the cat piss stuff worked better than anything today.

i've read somewhere about some enantiomer, isomers, racemic whatever (or so),
or they used different solvents, and/or uses ammonia... the most wild stories come accross ).

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Who knows something ?
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Challenge

My aim is to make that pre-ban stuff. Apparently there are some missing links, information hidden, or not shared (on purpose)


THE ONE THAT KNOWS HOW, AND SHARED ME THE DESCRIPTION (negotiatable), AND IS IN FACT REPRODUCABLE IS AWARDED 1250 EURO

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

If you determine the formula of this substance, then developing a synthesis will not be a problem. You can send a sample to the laboratory for analysis

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

HIGGS himself! Thanks for your prompt reply

Yes, but the laboratory here checks only for "presence of. " Which I can do myself as well having all common most test reagens. There is no lab here where I can just say yo can you analyze it for me and send send me outcome. Even forensics here can't do that. They can't even detect it in car accidents

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

HIGGS himself! Thanks for your prompt reply

Yes, but the laboratory here checks only for "presence of. " Which I can do myself as well having all common most test reagens. There is no lab here where I can just say yo can you analyze it for me and send send me outcome. Even forensics here can't do that. They can't even detect it in car accidents

TheVacuumGuyCan you send a sample to Spain?

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

Can you send a sample to Spain?

HIGGS BOSSONSure no problem

 

[OttoBulletproof]

I can't really give you an answer i'm just guessing it's probably just the same 3-mmc no fancy isomer separation or something like that. It probably has to do with the way it was synthesized and the way it was washed or recrystallized. Maybe some of the old stuff also oxidized which gave it another texture. Are you from EU btw?

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

I can't really give you an answer i'm just guessing it's probably just the same 3-mmc no fancy isomer separation or something like that. It probably has to do with the way it was synthesized and the way it was washed or recrystallized. Maybe some of the old stuff also oxidized which gave it another texture. Are you from EU btw?

OttoBulletproofThanks. It has not changed texture.
Moreover, bags are vacuum sealed.

probably has to do with the way it was synthesized and the way it was washed or recrystallized

Yes, that is my question


For your other question: read between the pictures

 

[$!$]

ask for help with syntheisi expert on forum sir u will know how i made and made monay i will lost my time
I know that you can earn money xD Berlin 777 maybe or btcboss2022 he will help you for free xD, maybe he has a lot of time or who just for helping in the production of meth, for example, has a price of $25k. If you have it, why do you want to synthesize xD Brother, if I had to help everyone from this forum, I would lose my life. I'm just a follower here, I don't participate in any discussions and I'm a fan of the bb group's video, that's all.

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

ask for help with syntheisi expert on forum sir u will know how i made and made monay i will lost my time
I know that you can earn money xD Berlin 777 maybe or btcboss2022 he will help you for free xD, maybe he has a lot of time or who just for helping in the production of meth, for example, has a price of $25k. If you have it, why do you want to synthesize xD Brother, if I had to help everyone from this forum, I would lose my life. I'm just a follower here, I don't participate in any discussions and I'm a fan of the bb group's video, that's all.

$!$You know you wrote the longest reply?

example, has a price of $25k. If you have it, why do you want to synthesize xD Brother,

I don't need money. I'm in for learning and fun. I also write open source software, which is used for free by thousands (who also need support), all in my free time.

That's maybe the difference

 

[Morda]

Well to what has been known, Dragon Eric(yes the one who “turned scammer later” /long story apparently accounts were taken over bla bla bla…) and other major China supplier, never did supply pure 4mmc it was a mixture.

I remember reading a post on different hive, where Eric apparently accidentally (or intentionally) shared some informations which were swiftly deleted. Stating proportions of 70/20/10 and 80/20. Since then it was just an ongoing debate regarding this subject. I can’t remember out of my head what was it exactly. I can try searching for the old conversation if that’s going to help anyone.

if anyone remembers they used to sell verity’s of Eric1 Eric2 Eric3 “same” but slightly different.

also apparently “Eric formula” was posted on sale at very steep price few years back not sure if it was real or just another scammer.

 

[AnonymouZ_Pickzel]

This is identical to the 'red and black' meth in USA. 90's shit was crazier than anything today, makes a hell of a difference