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Så vidt vides leverede Dragon Eric (ja, ham, der "blev svindler senere" / lang historie, tilsyneladende blev konti overtaget bla bla bla ...) og andre store kinesiske leverandører aldrig ren 4mmc, det var en blanding.

Jeg kan huske, at jeg læste et indlæg på en anden bikube, hvor Eric tilsyneladende ved et uheld (eller med vilje) delte nogle oplysninger, som hurtigt blev slettet. Med angivelse af proportioner på 70/20/10 og 80/20. Siden da var det bare en løbende debat om dette emne. Jeg kan ikke huske helt præcist, hvad det var. Jeg kan prøve at søge efter den gamle samtale, hvis det kan hjælpe nogen.

Hvis nogen kan huske det, plejede de at sælge varianter af Eric1 Eric2 Eric3 😂🤣 "samme", men lidt forskellige.

også tilsyneladende "Eric formel" blev sendt til salg til meget stejl pris for få år tilbage, ikke sikker på, om det var ægte eller bare en anden svindler.
 

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jeg har også set nogen sige, at 4 mmc fra kina ikke var rent, det var angiveligt blandet med 3 mmc, men jeg har ingen kilde til at understøtte det.

men det ser ud til, at intet nu kan slå kinesisk mephedron, jeg er ikke kemiker, men hvad er så anderledes nu end før?

du kan lave et produkt af superhøj kvalitet nu, ligesom du kunne før, tror jeg
 

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Oldcool 4MMC er en blanding af 3/4MMC, men jeg synes faktisk, at folk foretrækker 3MMC, fordi folk vil have mere stimuleringsfølelse end de hurtige rolige effekter af ren meph, og jeg ser også, at nogle mennesker leder efter lærer, jeg er en tidligere kemiker med masser af erfaring, hvis nogen er interesseret, kan PM mig
 

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Jeg har også set denne information et eller andet sted, men er 3mmc ikke den hurtigste? 4mmc har meget mere stimulering, mens den ikke er hurtig.
 

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Jeg sendte en prøve af noget nyligt selvfremstillet mephedron til laboratoriet, og den kom ud med 93%, hvilket tyder på højere renhed end den kommercielle preban-prøve.

Så nu er jeg endnu mere forvirret, da dette smager så blødt, ingen halshit, effekterne er mindre. Jeg ville uden tøven bytte 1 kg til 250 g (ja, så stor en forskel)

Mens man virkelig skulle tro, at et molekyle == molekyle.

Jeg begynder næsten at tro, at de meget efterspurgte effekter kan skyldes urenheder eller biprodukter 😅 nu ville DET være et paradoks
 

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Har de skelnet mellem det faktiske mephedron og dets isomer? Jeg har på fornemmelsen, at de lægger dem sammen som det samme produkt.
 

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Ja, det, jeg sendte første gang, var 3-mmc, og denne gang sendte jeg 4-mmc. De adskiller sig meget godt.
 

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Western world uses DCM like solvents which have very low water solubility. The Chinese did not use any of the solvents mentioned on this or any other site. I have come across some startling new information and might try that offbeat easy synthesis thia weekend nd will report back. Q good synthesis i believe will perhaps reduce purity, have low yield but would under circumstances normally it would not easily cause a failed batch resulting in waste of efforts money and chemicals .
Of this is half as promising as it sounds. Might be on to some chinaman strength meph.
DCM etc r ok but very low yield if batch is big.. like my last 12 kg batch ruined by adding NMP to speed up the process based on herrbarr s improved sunth using dcm. If your 2b4m is very pure it might work but with some unwanted particles in the 2bromo,4 m, nmp is always a bad idea.
The trick might be to use a catalyst that embraces all the ma40 and makes sure maximum conversion of the bk occurs. The polar solvents only react with the methylamine at the layer of contact since the solvents are not very friendly with water. I gonna try this magic new recipe. Ttu guys later
..BOOM 💥 💥
 

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Interesting. I've heard before someone adding some nmp to "speed up" the process.
However, the process is also very much sped up by using a mechanical stirrer. Takes me 35 minutes until the temperature goes down and the reaction complete.

let me know whenever you get an amazing result with an unusual solvent.

My mind keeps playing with the idea of an attempt to do the reaction in N.DimethylFormamide (DMF), i don't know why but probably because it is the best solvent i've seen until now for dissolving the bromo ketone. I use it for cleaning everything that has been in contact with the bromoketone and the only thing which really works. However has a high bp (slow evaporation) which might be undesireble
 
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