LSD-Synthese aus Lysergsäure mittels PyBOP
- Thread starter William D.
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Hallo Leute, weiß jemand etwas über die Hydrolyse von Ergotamin mit Natriumdithionit und KOH?
- By psy
Warum sollten Sie Dithionit verwenden? Sie versuchen, es zu hydrolysieren, nicht zu reduzieren. Sie haben 2 Doppelbindungen, die sicherlich reduziert werden könnten, und wie wollen Sie mit KOH einen pH-Wert von 5 erreichen?
Dieses Thema scheint stark unterschätzt zu werden. Es scheint geradezu revolutionär im Vergleich zu dem, wie ich gelernt habe, es herzustellen.
Ich habe einen Austausch gelesen, in dem jemand meinte, dass der Methylester während der Hydrolyse racemisieren könnte. Ist dies ein Problem mit dem entiopuren D-Isomer? Mir ist aufgefallen, dass die TLC nicht in der Aufarbeitung enthalten ist.
Ist ein Rotovap wirklich optional? Diese Methode kommt einer Badewannensynthese ohne Rotovap sehr nahe. Keine Hitze? Das klingt einfacher als Mdma oder Amphetamin.
Was übersehe ich hier? Arbeiten wir unter gelbem oder rotem Licht? Was sind die größten Komplikationen? Ergibt das Endprodukt überhaupt Isolsd?
Ich habe einen Austausch gelesen, in dem jemand meinte, dass der Methylester während der Hydrolyse racemisieren könnte. Ist dies ein Problem mit dem entiopuren D-Isomer? Mir ist aufgefallen, dass die TLC nicht in der Aufarbeitung enthalten ist.
Ist ein Rotovap wirklich optional? Diese Methode kommt einer Badewannensynthese ohne Rotovap sehr nahe. Keine Hitze? Das klingt einfacher als Mdma oder Amphetamin.
Was übersehe ich hier? Arbeiten wir unter gelbem oder rotem Licht? Was sind die größten Komplikationen? Ergibt das Endprodukt überhaupt Isolsd?
- By Nicoino
Es ist schwierig, einigermaßen reines LA zu erhalten, da fast alle Hydrolysevorgänge zu einem braunen/schwarzen Produkt führen, das gereinigt werden muss.
Selbst bei guter LA-Qualität wird die Kupplungsreaktionsmischung braunschwarz und die Aufarbeitung ist nicht so einfach wie angegeben (wenn man mit 100 % reinen Ausgangsstoffen, entgasten Lösungsmitteln und professioneller Ausrüstung beginnt, hat man vielleicht eine kleine Chance, dass das nicht passiert, aber für den Heimchemiker muss man mit einer dunklen Lösung rechnen).
Die Reinigung des Produkts ist kein Kinderspiel, wenn man keinen Zugang zur Säulenchromatographie hat oder nicht literweise Lösungsmittel unter Vakuum entfernen will.
Selbst bei guter LA-Qualität wird die Kupplungsreaktionsmischung braunschwarz und die Aufarbeitung ist nicht so einfach wie angegeben (wenn man mit 100 % reinen Ausgangsstoffen, entgasten Lösungsmitteln und professioneller Ausrüstung beginnt, hat man vielleicht eine kleine Chance, dass das nicht passiert, aber für den Heimchemiker muss man mit einer dunklen Lösung rechnen).
Die Reinigung des Produkts ist kein Kinderspiel, wenn man keinen Zugang zur Säulenchromatographie hat oder nicht literweise Lösungsmittel unter Vakuum entfernen will.
- By PlanckB1
Diese Erfahrung habe ich auch gemacht: Wiederholte Umkristallisationen der Lysergsäure aus der Hydrolyse führen zu einem Pulver, das jedes Mal heller wird, aber immer noch nicht so hell/rein ist, wie man es erwarten würde. Empfehlen Sie eine Säulenchromatographie der LA oder nur eine Säulenchromatographie des endgültigen Freebase-LSD?
- By Nicoino
Ich glaube nicht, dass es sich für die LA lohnt, wahrscheinlich ist es bei einer guten Ausarbeitung und genügend Experimenten nicht einmal für das Endprodukt erforderlich.
Große Säurechemiker wie Pichard haben jeden Monat Kilos synthetisiert, und ich bezweifle, dass sie in der Lage waren, diese Menge an Produkt zu chromatographieren, was in einer Fabrik fast unmöglich ist.
Große Säurechemiker wie Pichard haben jeden Monat Kilos synthetisiert, und ich bezweifle, dass sie in der Lage waren, diese Menge an Produkt zu chromatographieren, was in einer Fabrik fast unmöglich ist.
@G.Patton @William Dampier, kann stattdessen auch Natriumhydroxid oder Kaliumhydroxid verwendet werden?
Wird das Ammoniumhydroxid verwendet, um einen bestimmten PH-Wert zu erreichen, oder spendet es ein Ion?
Gibt es einen Anbieter, der "Ammoniumhydroxid (NH4OH)" anbietet?
Wird das Ammoniumhydroxid verwendet, um einen bestimmten PH-Wert zu erreichen, oder spendet es ein Ion?
Gibt es einen Anbieter, der "Ammoniumhydroxid (NH4OH)" anbietet?
Hallo @William Dampier, vielen Dank für den Syntheseweg.
Ich bin kein Experte, ich habe nur Erfahrung mit der Isomerisierung von CBD zu d8.
Jetzt versuche ich herauszufinden, ob es mir möglich ist, LSD herzustellen.
Meine derzeitigen Ziele sind:
Ich bin kein Experte, ich habe nur Erfahrung mit der Isomerisierung von CBD zu d8.
Jetzt versuche ich herauszufinden, ob es mir möglich ist, LSD herzustellen.
Meine derzeitigen Ziele sind:
- Eine detaillierte Route von D-Lysergsäuremethylester finden
- Beschaffung aller Reagenzien
- Erlernen des sicheren Umgangs mit den Reagenzien
- Erlernen der Dünnschichtchromatographie
- Erlernen der Säulenchromatographie (Flash-Chromatographie)
- LSD herstellen
- Recycling und sichere Entsorgung der Reagenzien
- Sie schreiben, dass wir 0,84 g Diethylamin (cas 109-89-7) benötigen, ist das richtig?
- Ich frage, weil es laut https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/ eine Flüssigkeit ist und ich es bei chinesischen Verkäufern in kg verkauft gesehen habe.
- Welche TLC-Platten sind für diese Synthese am besten geeignet?
- DerTyp H enthält kein kalziniertes Gipsbindemittel und keinen Fluoreszenzstoff.
- Typ G enthält kein Fluoreszenzmittel, enthält kalzinierten Gips als Bindemittel.
- TypHF254 enthält Fluoreszenzmittel, enthält kein kalziniertes Gipsbindemittel
- TypGF254 enthält sowohl kalzinierten Gips als Bindemittel als auch Fluoreszenzmittel
- Können Sie mir mit dem Weg von D-Lysergsäuremethylester helfen?
- By HerrHaber
Zufälligerweise ist Diethylamin in einigen Ländern nicht reguliert, und ich habe Zugang dazu, so dass ich mir vorstellen kann, Subgrammmengen zu versenden, insbesondere in geschützter Form. In dieser speziellen Synthese kann es meiner Meinung nach durch GF254 eluiert werden.
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- By HerrHaber
In dieser speziellen Situation wird die Flüssigkeit gewogen, um die Präzision zu gewährleisten... volumetrisch braucht man eine Mikropipette, um genaue Mengen zu erhalten. Manchmal ist Präzision in der Synthese entscheidend, auch bei Methyldiethylamin NMe(Et)2 muss man genau sein. Große Mengen werden selten gewogen...., da das Volumen je nach Viskosität und Reaktivität einfacher ist. Honigähnliche Stoffe sind eindeutig leichter zu wiegen, und reaktive Flüssigkeiten können mit einer Spritze volumenmäßig abgewogen werden, aber manchmal wird die kleine Menge in einem Kolben auf einer Waage tropfenweise auf die erforderliche Masse pipettiert. Unter inerter Atmosphäre ist es schwierig und erfordert eine Schlenkleitung und Ausrüstung, idealerweise eine Glovebox (Schlenkleitung und alle Paraphrenalien wie Argon und Flüssigstickstofffallen), eine Glovebox, von deren Bau ich schon lange träumte (ich habe tatsächlich ein funktionierendes Mikroskop gebaut, als ich sieben war).
Gibt es eine Alternative zur Verwendung einer Rotovap-Maschine?
- By William D.
Vakuum-Destillationsset
5-teiliges Set mit 24/29 Verbindungen für die präzise Vakuumdestillation, hergestellt aus haltbarem Borosilikatglas. Die Destillationssets werden komplett und gebrauchsfertig geliefert, so dass man nicht mehr raten muss, welche Größe die einzelnen Komponenten haben. Die Teile sind chemikalien- und temperaturbeständig, die Glaswaren...
us.vwr.comMeine Frage ist, ob ein anderes Amin das Diethylmethylamin ersetzen kann? Zum Beispiel Diisopropylamin oder Diisopropylethylamin? Irgendetwas?
- By SYN
Yes should be possible.
Amide Synthesis
The direct coupling between a carboxylic acid and an amine is competing with the acid/base proton exchange and it hardly is a suitable choice in synthetic chemistry.
www.fishersci.nl
- By mycelium
There are several animes that can be used in place of diethylamine, but they are not as strong or awesome. Let me see if I can find it and cut n paste, hold on
edical literature. A number of analogues of LSD have maintained the diethylamide group unchanged, but additions or changes have been made in the pyrrole ring.
ALD-52. 1-Acetyl-N,N-diethyllysergamide. This material has been explored in the 50-175 microgram range and there are a number of human trials reported, with varying conclusions. One found that there was less visual distortion than with LSD and it seems to produce less anxiety and was somewhat less potent than LSD. Another report claimed it was more effective in increasing blood pressure. Yet another could not tell them apart. ALD-52 just may have been the drug that was sold as "Orange Sunshine" during the "Summer of Love" in the late '60's. Or "Orange Sunshine" may have been, really, LSD. This was the focus of a fascinating trial where two defendants were accused of distributing LSD, whereas they claimed that it was ALD-52 which was not an illegal drug. The prosecution claimed that as it hydrolyses readily to LSD, for all intents and purposes it was LSD, and anyway, you had to go through the illegal LSD to get to ALD-52 by any of the known chemical syntheses. The defendants were found guilty. And yet, I do not know who has actually measured the speed or ease of that reaction. If ALD-52 hydrolyses so easily to LSD, and the body is indeed a hydrolytic instrument, then these two drugs should be absolutely equivalent in every particular, This is the ergot equivalent of the psilocybin to psilocin argument, except this is an acetamide rather than a phosphate ester. MLD-41. 1-Methyl-N,N-diethyllysergamide. The 1-methyl homologue of LSD is has more of somatic than sensory effect, has fewer visuals and is less well accepted than LSD, with the range of dosages being from 100 to 300 micrograms. This indicates that it is perhaps a third the potency of LSD which is in accord with both pupilary dilation and reflex action. However, the cardiovascular responses are actually increased. Besides being less potent than LSD, it appears to have a slower onset but it is equally long lived. There is cross-tolerance between MLD-41 and LSD. BOL-148. 2-Bromo-N,N-diethyllysergamide. This synthetic ergot derivative, along with its 1-methyl homologue MBL-61 (mentioned below) should be used as powerful tools for studying the mechanism of action of LSD in the human animal. It does not have LSD-like effects in man. At 6 to 10 milligrams orally, there are some mental changes noted. But in another study, 20 milligrams was administered a day to a subject for 7 days, and there were no reported effects. And yet it is as potent a serotonin agonist as is LSD. How can serotonin be argued as a neurotransmitter that is a major player in explaining the action of psychedelic drugs, when this compound is nearly without activity. There are some suggestions that an intravenous route may be more effective. I have heard of effects being noted at maybe a milligram and a short (2-3 hour) intoxication following 20 milligrams administered over a 20 minute period. I was involved many years ago in a study of radio-labelled BOL-148 which was made by the bromination of LSD. I was quite sure that the only radioactive material present was BOL-148, but there could well have been some unreacted LSD still present which would, of course, still be psychoactive. The synthesis is not clean -- I was tempted to make an entry for this compound if only to reproduce Albert Hofmann's original published experimental procedure. He reacted 13.2 grams of N-bromosuccinimide (in 400 mL dioxane, with 1.2 liters of dioxane containing 25 grams of LSD. This gave 11 grams of crude product which had to be recrystallized. The radioactive syntheses uses effectively elemental bromine, and gave yields of from 5 to 15%. Visualize that reaction! A warm flask containing over a quart of warm solvent in which there was maybe half a million doses of LSD. 1-Hydroxymethyl-LSD, 1-dimethylaminomethyl-LSD and 2-iodo-LSD. These three additional compounds are shown here because they were described in a synthetic flurry that followed the discovery the activity of LSD. But at the moment I know neither their internal Sandoz codes nor if they had ever been explored in man. This is a kind of frustrating catch-all entry, in that the long index will send you here, and once here you realize that nothing is known. Well, at least the compounds are known, and perhaps there is something in the Sandoz vaults that might be interesting. I do not have access to them. MBL-61. 2-Bromo-N,N-diethyl-1-methyllysergamide. This is the compound BOL-148 (mentioned above) with a methyl group attached to the 1-position of the indole ring (LSD has a hydrogen there). This would be an even more tantalizing challenge to the serotonin theory for central activity of the psychedelics, in that it is without any activity in man at an oral dose of 14 milligrams (similar to the inactivity of the BOL-61 compound, but it is some five times more potent as a serotonin agonist. With it, as with the iodinated analogue MIL, there are many examples of the compromising of scientific integrity in the quest for funds and recognition. Both compounds are as effective as LSD itself in displacing labelled LSD that is bound to the post-synaptic serotonin receptor sites in animal brains. But neither of them show any LSD-like activity. But both have been labelled with 11C or 122I to give positron emitting forms that can be administered to man and localized in a positron emission tomography instrument (a PET scanner). I was at a meeting of a NIDA study section a few years ago, where some one presented some findings with a group of subjects who were complaining of continuing mental problems allegedly due to LSD exposure. A chart was put up showing the outline of the brain showing the locations of the EEG foci that were observed in one of these subjects. Along side it was a PET scan showing the distribution of radioactive LSD in a subject. The purpose was to discuss the similarities and differences of the coordinates of electrical activity and radio-isotope concentration. I innocently asked what positron isotope had been used, as I did not know of any successful positron labelling of LSD. Carbon 11, I was told. Where in the molecule was the label incorporated, I asked. In the 1-position methyl group. It was finally acknowledged that the compound that had actually been used was 2-iodo-1-methyl-LSD, our MIL compound, which is quite a different world. A pharmacologist might say that they are similar in action (looking at serotonin, not psychedelic action), and a chemist might say they are of similar structure (looking at the upper 80% of the molecule. But they are different compounds. This is a most subtle form of deceit. It is, in fact, out and out dishonest, but it looks good up there on the screen at a lecture. Let me mention in passing, that there are three stereoisomers possible for d-LSD. There are d-iso-LSD, l-LSD, and l-iso-LSD. The inversion of the stereochemistry of the attached diethylcarboxyamido group of d-LSD gives the diastereoisomer (d-iso-LSD) which is a frequent synthetic impurity of d-LSD itself. The corresponding optical antipodes l-LSD and l-iso-LSD are also known and have been tasted. All three are completely inactive: d-iso-LSD shows no psychological changes at an oral dose of 4 milligrams; l-LSD none at up to 10 milligrams orally; and l-iso-LSD none at 500 micrograms orally. These dramatic decreases in potency show both the stereoselectivity of the native LSD molecule in producing its central effects, and the LSD-free purity of these isomers. The second major location of variations in the structure of LSD has been in the nature of the alkyl groups on the amide nitrogen atom. Some of these are Sandoz syntheses, some are from other research groups, and a few of them are found in nature. Some of these have been studied in man, and some have not. A few of the original clutch of Sandoz compounds have both 1-substituents and amide alkyl (R) group variations: indole--- amide nitrogen substituents --- R=R=R=code name -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -CH3 -CH3 -COCH3 -CH3 -H -CH3 -CH2CH3 -(CH2)2CH3 -CH(CH3)CH2OH -CH(CH3)CH2OH -(CH2)CH3 -CH(CH3)CH2CH2OH -(CH2)4CH3 -CH(CH3)CH2CH2CH3 -CH(CH2CH3)2 -(CH2)5CH3 -CH(CH3)CH2CH2CH2CH3 -(CH2)6CH3 -CH(CH3)CH2CH2CH2CH2CH3 -CH3 -CH2CH3 -(CH2)2CH3 -CH(CH3)2 -CH(CH3)CH2C6H5 -CH2CH3 -(CH2)2CH3 -(CH2)2CH3 -CH(CH3)2 -CH2CH=CH2 -(CH2)2CH3 -CH2CH2CH2CH2- -CH2CH=CHCH2- -CH2CH2CH2CH2CH2- -CH2CH2OCH2CH2- -CH2CH3 -CH(CH2CH3)CH2OH -COCH3 -CH2CH2CH2CH2- -H -H -H -H -H* -H -H* -H* -H -H* -H -H -H* -H -H* -CH3 -CH3 -CH3 -CH3 -CH3* -CH2CH3 -CH2CH3 -(CH2)2CH3 -CH(CH3)2 -CH2CH=CH2 -(CH2)3CH3 -H -H* -CH2CH3 LA-111 LAE-32 Ergonovine Methergine DAM-57 LAMP LSD-25 DAL LPD-824 LSM-775 MLA-74 UML-491 ALA-10 MPD-75 In the amides marked with "*" there has been the introduction of a new asymmetric center, which of course doubles the number of isomers that is possible. In each case the resulting two optical forms were prepared separately, and evaluated separately as to their pharmacology. This listing is not intended to be thorough, but it is shown to suggest the amount of synthetic effort that has been made towards the exploring and understanding the high potency associated with those two remarkably important ethyl groups on the amide nitrogen of LSD. I have given the Sandoz code names, again, as far as I know them. Although none of these really warrant a dedicated recipe, there is sufficient animal and human pharmacology reported to justify listing them below as separate items. Most of these reports appeared in the mid-1950's but some studies are still being done and papers are published even today with new ideas but, sadly, only with animal pharmacology. I have been as guilty as the next person who has tried to mount all these compounds into a table with a "human potency" factor that compares them directly to LSD. This is an uncomfortable simplification. Here are the actual reported observations, and I'll let the reader provide his own potency index. LA-111, ergine, d-lysergamide. This is an active compound and has been established as a major component in morning glory seeds. It was assayed for human activity, by Albert Hofmann in self-trials back in 1947, well before this was known to be a natural compound. An i.m. administration of a 500 microgram dose led to a tired, dreamy state with an inability to maintain clear thoughts. After a short period of sleep, the effects were gone and normal baseline was recovered within five hours. Other observers have confirmed this clouding of consciousness leading to sleep. The epimer, inverted at C-8, is isoergine or d-isolysergamide, and is also a component of morning glory seeds. Hofmann tried a 2 milligram dose of this amide, and as with ergine, he experienced nothing but tiredness, apathy, and a feeling of emptiness. Both compounds are probably correctly dismissed as not being a contributor to the action of these seeds. It is important to note that ergine, as well as lysergic acid itself, is listed as a Schedule III drug in the Controlled Substances Act, as a depressant. This is, in all probability, a stratagem to control them as logical precursors to LSD. LAE-32, N-ethyllysergamide. Different people have observed and reported different effects, with different routes of administration. Subcutaneous administrations of from 500 to 750 micrograms have been said to produce a state of apathy and sedation. Clinical studies with dosages of 500 micrograms i.m. were felt to be less effective than the control use of 100 micrograms of LSD. And yet, oral doses of twice this amount, 1.6 milligrams, have been said to produce a short-lived LSD-like effect with none of these negatives. LPD-824, N-Pyrrolidyllysergamide. Five trials at a dosage of 800 micrograms orally led to the reporting of a fleeting effect that was similar to one tenth this amount of LSD. LSM-775, N-Morpholinyllysergamide. There are conflicting reports; one states that 75 micrograms is an effective dose, comparable to a similar dose of LSD, and the other stated that between 350 and 700 micrograms was needed to elicit this response, and that there were fewer signs of cardiovascular stimulation and peripheral toxicity. DAM-57, N,N-Dimethyllysergamide. This compound did induce autonomic disturbances at oral levels of some ten times the dosage required for LSD, presumably in the high hundreds of micrograms. There is some disagreement as to whether there were psychic changes observed. DAL, N,N-Diallyllysergamide. As the tartrate salt, there is at best a touch of sparkle seen at 600 micrograms orally, but there is a sedation also reported. It is certainly an order of magnitude less potent than LSD itself. UML-491, Methysergide, Sansert. This is the synthetic homologue of methergine (1-methyl) and is employed clinically as a treatment for migraine headaches. When the usual therapeutic dosage of two milligrams is scaled up by a factor of ten, there is a profound LSD-like response described by most subjects. A number of these ergot analogues from nature can be considered as potential precursors for the preparation of LSD. But here, there is a 1-methyl group that is effectively permanently attached, so it cannot play this role.
edical literature. A number of analogues of LSD have maintained the diethylamide group unchanged, but additions or changes have been made in the pyrrole ring.
ALD-52. 1-Acetyl-N,N-diethyllysergamide. This material has been explored in the 50-175 microgram range and there are a number of human trials reported, with varying conclusions. One found that there was less visual distortion than with LSD and it seems to produce less anxiety and was somewhat less potent than LSD. Another report claimed it was more effective in increasing blood pressure. Yet another could not tell them apart. ALD-52 just may have been the drug that was sold as "Orange Sunshine" during the "Summer of Love" in the late '60's. Or "Orange Sunshine" may have been, really, LSD. This was the focus of a fascinating trial where two defendants were accused of distributing LSD, whereas they claimed that it was ALD-52 which was not an illegal drug. The prosecution claimed that as it hydrolyses readily to LSD, for all intents and purposes it was LSD, and anyway, you had to go through the illegal LSD to get to ALD-52 by any of the known chemical syntheses. The defendants were found guilty. And yet, I do not know who has actually measured the speed or ease of that reaction. If ALD-52 hydrolyses so easily to LSD, and the body is indeed a hydrolytic instrument, then these two drugs should be absolutely equivalent in every particular, This is the ergot equivalent of the psilocybin to psilocin argument, except this is an acetamide rather than a phosphate ester. MLD-41. 1-Methyl-N,N-diethyllysergamide. The 1-methyl homologue of LSD is has more of somatic than sensory effect, has fewer visuals and is less well accepted than LSD, with the range of dosages being from 100 to 300 micrograms. This indicates that it is perhaps a third the potency of LSD which is in accord with both pupilary dilation and reflex action. However, the cardiovascular responses are actually increased. Besides being less potent than LSD, it appears to have a slower onset but it is equally long lived. There is cross-tolerance between MLD-41 and LSD. BOL-148. 2-Bromo-N,N-diethyllysergamide. This synthetic ergot derivative, along with its 1-methyl homologue MBL-61 (mentioned below) should be used as powerful tools for studying the mechanism of action of LSD in the human animal. It does not have LSD-like effects in man. At 6 to 10 milligrams orally, there are some mental changes noted. But in another study, 20 milligrams was administered a day to a subject for 7 days, and there were no reported effects. And yet it is as potent a serotonin agonist as is LSD. How can serotonin be argued as a neurotransmitter that is a major player in explaining the action of psychedelic drugs, when this compound is nearly without activity. There are some suggestions that an intravenous route may be more effective. I have heard of effects being noted at maybe a milligram and a short (2-3 hour) intoxication following 20 milligrams administered over a 20 minute period. I was involved many years ago in a study of radio-labelled BOL-148 which was made by the bromination of LSD. I was quite sure that the only radioactive material present was BOL-148, but there could well have been some unreacted LSD still present which would, of course, still be psychoactive. The synthesis is not clean -- I was tempted to make an entry for this compound if only to reproduce Albert Hofmann's original published experimental procedure. He reacted 13.2 grams of N-bromosuccinimide (in 400 mL dioxane, with 1.2 liters of dioxane containing 25 grams of LSD. This gave 11 grams of crude product which had to be recrystallized. The radioactive syntheses uses effectively elemental bromine, and gave yields of from 5 to 15%. Visualize that reaction! A warm flask containing over a quart of warm solvent in which there was maybe half a million doses of LSD. 1-Hydroxymethyl-LSD, 1-dimethylaminomethyl-LSD and 2-iodo-LSD. These three additional compounds are shown here because they were described in a synthetic flurry that followed the discovery the activity of LSD. But at the moment I know neither their internal Sandoz codes nor if they had ever been explored in man. This is a kind of frustrating catch-all entry, in that the long index will send you here, and once here you realize that nothing is known. Well, at least the compounds are known, and perhaps there is something in the Sandoz vaults that might be interesting. I do not have access to them. MBL-61. 2-Bromo-N,N-diethyl-1-methyllysergamide. This is the compound BOL-148 (mentioned above) with a methyl group attached to the 1-position of the indole ring (LSD has a hydrogen there). This would be an even more tantalizing challenge to the serotonin theory for central activity of the psychedelics, in that it is without any activity in man at an oral dose of 14 milligrams (similar to the inactivity of the BOL-61 compound, but it is some five times more potent as a serotonin agonist. With it, as with the iodinated analogue MIL, there are many examples of the compromising of scientific integrity in the quest for funds and recognition. Both compounds are as effective as LSD itself in displacing labelled LSD that is bound to the post-synaptic serotonin receptor sites in animal brains. But neither of them show any LSD-like activity. But both have been labelled with 11C or 122I to give positron emitting forms that can be administered to man and localized in a positron emission tomography instrument (a PET scanner). I was at a meeting of a NIDA study section a few years ago, where some one presented some findings with a group of subjects who were complaining of continuing mental problems allegedly due to LSD exposure. A chart was put up showing the outline of the brain showing the locations of the EEG foci that were observed in one of these subjects. Along side it was a PET scan showing the distribution of radioactive LSD in a subject. The purpose was to discuss the similarities and differences of the coordinates of electrical activity and radio-isotope concentration. I innocently asked what positron isotope had been used, as I did not know of any successful positron labelling of LSD. Carbon 11, I was told. Where in the molecule was the label incorporated, I asked. In the 1-position methyl group. It was finally acknowledged that the compound that had actually been used was 2-iodo-1-methyl-LSD, our MIL compound, which is quite a different world. A pharmacologist might say that they are similar in action (looking at serotonin, not psychedelic action), and a chemist might say they are of similar structure (looking at the upper 80% of the molecule. But they are different compounds. This is a most subtle form of deceit. It is, in fact, out and out dishonest, but it looks good up there on the screen at a lecture. Let me mention in passing, that there are three stereoisomers possible for d-LSD. There are d-iso-LSD, l-LSD, and l-iso-LSD. The inversion of the stereochemistry of the attached diethylcarboxyamido group of d-LSD gives the diastereoisomer (d-iso-LSD) which is a frequent synthetic impurity of d-LSD itself. The corresponding optical antipodes l-LSD and l-iso-LSD are also known and have been tasted. All three are completely inactive: d-iso-LSD shows no psychological changes at an oral dose of 4 milligrams; l-LSD none at up to 10 milligrams orally; and l-iso-LSD none at 500 micrograms orally. These dramatic decreases in potency show both the stereoselectivity of the native LSD molecule in producing its central effects, and the LSD-free purity of these isomers. The second major location of variations in the structure of LSD has been in the nature of the alkyl groups on the amide nitrogen atom. Some of these are Sandoz syntheses, some are from other research groups, and a few of them are found in nature. Some of these have been studied in man, and some have not. A few of the original clutch of Sandoz compounds have both 1-substituents and amide alkyl (R) group variations: indole--- amide nitrogen substituents --- R=R=R=code name -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -H -CH3 -CH3 -COCH3 -CH3 -H -CH3 -CH2CH3 -(CH2)2CH3 -CH(CH3)CH2OH -CH(CH3)CH2OH -(CH2)CH3 -CH(CH3)CH2CH2OH -(CH2)4CH3 -CH(CH3)CH2CH2CH3 -CH(CH2CH3)2 -(CH2)5CH3 -CH(CH3)CH2CH2CH2CH3 -(CH2)6CH3 -CH(CH3)CH2CH2CH2CH2CH3 -CH3 -CH2CH3 -(CH2)2CH3 -CH(CH3)2 -CH(CH3)CH2C6H5 -CH2CH3 -(CH2)2CH3 -(CH2)2CH3 -CH(CH3)2 -CH2CH=CH2 -(CH2)2CH3 -CH2CH2CH2CH2- -CH2CH=CHCH2- -CH2CH2CH2CH2CH2- -CH2CH2OCH2CH2- -CH2CH3 -CH(CH2CH3)CH2OH -COCH3 -CH2CH2CH2CH2- -H -H -H -H -H* -H -H* -H* -H -H* -H -H -H* -H -H* -CH3 -CH3 -CH3 -CH3 -CH3* -CH2CH3 -CH2CH3 -(CH2)2CH3 -CH(CH3)2 -CH2CH=CH2 -(CH2)3CH3 -H -H* -CH2CH3 LA-111 LAE-32 Ergonovine Methergine DAM-57 LAMP LSD-25 DAL LPD-824 LSM-775 MLA-74 UML-491 ALA-10 MPD-75 In the amides marked with "*" there has been the introduction of a new asymmetric center, which of course doubles the number of isomers that is possible. In each case the resulting two optical forms were prepared separately, and evaluated separately as to their pharmacology. This listing is not intended to be thorough, but it is shown to suggest the amount of synthetic effort that has been made towards the exploring and understanding the high potency associated with those two remarkably important ethyl groups on the amide nitrogen of LSD. I have given the Sandoz code names, again, as far as I know them. Although none of these really warrant a dedicated recipe, there is sufficient animal and human pharmacology reported to justify listing them below as separate items. Most of these reports appeared in the mid-1950's but some studies are still being done and papers are published even today with new ideas but, sadly, only with animal pharmacology. I have been as guilty as the next person who has tried to mount all these compounds into a table with a "human potency" factor that compares them directly to LSD. This is an uncomfortable simplification. Here are the actual reported observations, and I'll let the reader provide his own potency index. LA-111, ergine, d-lysergamide. This is an active compound and has been established as a major component in morning glory seeds. It was assayed for human activity, by Albert Hofmann in self-trials back in 1947, well before this was known to be a natural compound. An i.m. administration of a 500 microgram dose led to a tired, dreamy state with an inability to maintain clear thoughts. After a short period of sleep, the effects were gone and normal baseline was recovered within five hours. Other observers have confirmed this clouding of consciousness leading to sleep. The epimer, inverted at C-8, is isoergine or d-isolysergamide, and is also a component of morning glory seeds. Hofmann tried a 2 milligram dose of this amide, and as with ergine, he experienced nothing but tiredness, apathy, and a feeling of emptiness. Both compounds are probably correctly dismissed as not being a contributor to the action of these seeds. It is important to note that ergine, as well as lysergic acid itself, is listed as a Schedule III drug in the Controlled Substances Act, as a depressant. This is, in all probability, a stratagem to control them as logical precursors to LSD. LAE-32, N-ethyllysergamide. Different people have observed and reported different effects, with different routes of administration. Subcutaneous administrations of from 500 to 750 micrograms have been said to produce a state of apathy and sedation. Clinical studies with dosages of 500 micrograms i.m. were felt to be less effective than the control use of 100 micrograms of LSD. And yet, oral doses of twice this amount, 1.6 milligrams, have been said to produce a short-lived LSD-like effect with none of these negatives. LPD-824, N-Pyrrolidyllysergamide. Five trials at a dosage of 800 micrograms orally led to the reporting of a fleeting effect that was similar to one tenth this amount of LSD. LSM-775, N-Morpholinyllysergamide. There are conflicting reports; one states that 75 micrograms is an effective dose, comparable to a similar dose of LSD, and the other stated that between 350 and 700 micrograms was needed to elicit this response, and that there were fewer signs of cardiovascular stimulation and peripheral toxicity. DAM-57, N,N-Dimethyllysergamide. This compound did induce autonomic disturbances at oral levels of some ten times the dosage required for LSD, presumably in the high hundreds of micrograms. There is some disagreement as to whether there were psychic changes observed. DAL, N,N-Diallyllysergamide. As the tartrate salt, there is at best a touch of sparkle seen at 600 micrograms orally, but there is a sedation also reported. It is certainly an order of magnitude less potent than LSD itself. UML-491, Methysergide, Sansert. This is the synthetic homologue of methergine (1-methyl) and is employed clinically as a treatment for migraine headaches. When the usual therapeutic dosage of two milligrams is scaled up by a factor of ten, there is a profound LSD-like response described by most subjects. A number of these ergot analogues from nature can be considered as potential precursors for the preparation of LSD. But here, there is a 1-methyl group that is effectively permanently attached, so it cannot play this role.
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This is a link to shulgins LSD synth, with lots of notes on the switching out different amines
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This is a link to shulgins LSD synth, with lots of notes on the switching out different amines
