My 3-CMC synthesis

[mithyl2]

this is great.

why do you think the freezer gave you strange results during the crystallization?

how well do you think this method scales up?

 

[Jesse_Pinkman_]

Because of the water, when its freezing, where should the crystals come from?
Normal Refrigerator maybe works but i have my food inside and dont want to clean it everytime.
I really tried very much ways to get to the final product and also wasted a lot of solvents and 2b3c too, but the way i described worked for me better than the other tryouts.
I almost became confused from all different methods, all that different little bowls with different mixtures were standing all around, i always watched, which one develops good and which not.
For example, when you put icecold ipa to the crystalization water/powder, you get some white crystals instantly but they are not clear and just a little bit, sp you have to crystallize again and the rest has to evaporate, look last picture.
The 3 other pictures show what happens to the rm in my freezer, it becomes a solid mass which melts at room temperature, but no crystals.

 

[HerrHaber]

There's also a method for 4MMC recrystallization which employs also NaCl (table salt) in most probably a larger amount of water along the product powder and IPA with also different ratios that you must check. Salty water has a much lower freezing point therefore letting the other component crystalize first since sodium salt is perhaps more water attached but the temperature must NOT reach -18*C or any lower at all costs since salt will also start crystalizing and the more it stays the more salt in the stuff. Hope it helped, I may seek it out for you if you don't find it, cheers!

 

[NeoTolls]

How much NaCI u use ?

 

[lheartamines]

Be careful when using a digital ph device and DCM, if you leave it in the rm while monitoring it will melt the device.

 

[Jesse_Pinkman_]

Yes, i had this with a thermometer

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

I've had this too. Solved by getting an expensive glass probe

 

[misteroil]

Hello guys, maybe someone could help me with situation..?
Ratio of chemicals 1:2br3cl, 3: DCM, 2:MA. stiring for 3hours in 37c. All the time reaction went well, in the end yellow/amber collor of base.
But this time i have very low temp in lab, and i pour all MA in 15mins. All substance temp raised just too 27 degree. Then I put rm to warm bath and raised temp to 35. After 2 hours stiring all was going well. But in next hour all rm turned PURPLE. Acidifying in dem.watter and get purple watter layer. Now i see that my crystals will be purple. How could i wash it? becouse i think that there was much not reacted chems, but wich, i dont know.

 

[JosephBratan]

Hey $!$

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

Hey $!$

 

[pamrz]

Hi Guys,
Im trying 3cmc and I have questions about acidification. I'm working on organic layer - but nothing forms. Made few attempts, some was good most of them not, I cannot realize where is the problem.

1) on which temperature shoud be freebase acidified? Room temperature or is should be cold before acidification?
2) It's better acidifi before or after adding cold acetone ? Is aceton necessary on DCM?
3) I'm on PH 6 and I have very dark liquid, after 12hours in freezer nothing happen (but it must be there, when PH paper dry, there are white crystal layer)
4) Is way add destilled watter to liquid and separe water and let i crystalize?
5) can be separated acidified/ DCM/Acetone/ liquid reuse somehow?
Thank you

 

[Jesse_Pinkman_]

I think, you did not read or understand the process...after acidificaction, you dispose the organic layer, the water layer contains the product and you need to evaporate the water

 

[Jesse_Pinkman_]

Acetone is not necessary, for 4-mmc it is. So, read my recipe, try to understand, what happens there...acidificaction should be at low temperature, dest water from freezer, can also use dest water ice cubes to cool down the rm while acidificaction. Hcl drops every 2-3 seconds 1 drop

 

[pamrz]

Thats the point. I used way that I know from 4mmc.
But product will dispose to water AFTER accidification isnt it?

 

[Jesse_Pinkman_]

Yes, chloro switches to water when ph 6 , organic layer is not necessary then

 

[pamrz]

And about ratio for preparation:
100g 2b3cl / 300ml DCM / 200ml methylamine 3hrs on 38degrees - nice orange colour of bottom layer.

 

[Pinkbay]

Hello friends.
I put it in the refrigerator for 12 hours after acidification and got some salt with different shapes, but when filtering, the salt disappeared and turned into liquid. Does anyone know the reason?

 

[Jesse_Pinkman_]

Read the recipe...no refrigerator, evaporate the water layer

 

[SunDay]

Hello partners..
Im out of stock 2br3cl, but have 2br4m... On mephedrone I was working with toluen in the old days, droping flour..etc..
Now I will work with DCM and watter layer, now reading what best for meph. So in couple post above Jesse mentioned that in mephedrone we need acetone in step by acidification. I want to ask why, and when. Thats the evaporation of watter layer would be faster? becouse acetone mixes homologue with watter... Or we dont need watter at all?

 

[dnBQByvHb8Zkawbjpx]

Hello there,
After amination in DCM you discard the water layer, repeatedly flush the organic layer with water to remove excess methylamine and you always keep the 4mmc free base in DCM. Acetone is then added 1/ to dilute the free base in order to provide better thermal stability so it does not heat too fast as HCl is added, and 2/ to wash away DCM and any impurities soluble in acetone from the precipitate. Acetone is used since it does not dissolve 4mmc.HCl and dries fast without leaving residue, and it's cheap.