Question Stavo cercando di ricordare un cuoco di pentole di coccio. Credo di aver capito bene, qualcuno può aiutarmi?

[chewie12321]

Ok, è passato un po' di tempo da quando ho ripassato tutte queste conoscenze, ma sono qui e mi sto assicurando di avere le ricette dettagliate. Ai tempi ho lavorato nella produzione di alcune cose e quella che ho imparato bene è stata la metanfetamina. Ho imparato l'anhidris, l'amonia, la droga rossa e nera e altre cose che si cucinano a freddo e che volevo provare solo per il semplice gusto di non dover andare da uno spacciatore e ottenere qualcosa, ma mi sono bloccato sui dettagli.

1 grammo di NitroMetano GaI
2 Luppolo numero 9 gun blueing 7 once
3 bacchette per saldatura punte arancioni per nichole
4 ? credo che ci sia del charchole attivato ma non ne sono sicuro
5 nastro adesivo giù stretto cuocere a fuoco alto per 12 ore e poi lasciare riposare e raffreddare per 12 ore

una volta finito ci sono due strati, uno superiore che è tutta la metanfetamina deve essere tagliato via dal fondo, scartando lo strato inferiore e assicurandosi di non metterlo nel cristallo, che può essere velenoso.

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

Nah, a me sembra una ricetta per la droga delle corde, credo che la droga delle vespe abbia un rapporto qualità/prezzo migliore🫣, sono sorpreso che non sia stata scoperta prima. Sei là fuori e hai colpito un nido di vespe e loro sono incazzate! Ma ci sei, bugbzapper, spray per vespe, un po' di fuoco incrociato.....
Tanto per essere sicuri, no, non fa niente. Un buco nel portafoglio, forse.
In effetti, ci sono un sacco di nitrati in giro, potrebbe essere una reazione estremamente energetica.
Nah, chi l'avrebbe mai detto, l'azzurrante per armi è salnitro. Il sale Peter è utile, cazzo.

 

[mycelium]

Yess sir it is, a little salt peter, a little charcoal, and some sulfur from the grow store, gnome same?

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

Ecco alcuni ingredienti del detergente per canna da sparo Hoppe's No. 9:
Isobutano: 1000 ppm
Cherosene: 800 ppm
Etanolo: 100 mg/m³
Acido oleico: 1000 ppm
Citronellal: 100 ppm
Idrossido di ammonio: Meno dell'1%
(R)-p-mentha-1,8-diene: Meno dell'1%
1,8 cineolo: Meno dell'1%

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

Una ricetta assolutamente da galera per la droga. È piuttosto divertente quando tutti i "bravi ragazzi" del sud vengono a scontare la pena nel nord-est, e portano tutti la storia di essere un boss della metanfetamina di una banda di motociclisti. Ricordo che quando avevo vent'anni, un mio compagno di cella della Florida mi raccontava che "produceva e vendeva chili di metanfetamina" secondo la famigerata tecnica della "string dope". Probabilmente ce l'ho ancora scritto da qualche parte, con dettagli e proporzioni esatte. È stata la prima volta che l'ho sentita. Nel corso degli anni ho sentito diverse varianti da alcune persone diverse, ma l'idea generale è la stessa. Sapendo quello che so ora, è piuttosto divertente quando le persone cercano di parlarmene come se sapessero qualcosa che nessun altro sa, come se avessero questo asso nella manica che possono tirare fuori e fare fortuna ogni volta che hanno bisogno di un pesce. Devo solo aspettare un mese perché l'acquario che ho interrato pieno di carbone per filtri e di azzurrante per armi reagisca e faccia crescere il ghiaccio su tutte le corde. ... O erano 12 ore? Dopo aver "cucinato a fuoco vivo" per 12 ore... hmmm... chissà.... inizierà a crescere uno di questi giorni...
In ogni caso, canterò "we're in the money..." in men che non si dica...

 

[InnocentBystander23]

È lo stesso anche sulla costa occidentale fratello!!!

 

[tetr000]

Mi piace molto. È la prima volta che sento parlare di questo argomento in particolare, ma posso capirlo.

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

Just to be sure guys, Nitromethan gal ain't coming to this party, even if Nicole gets orange tips. Who activated the charchole and what does that 3ven mean? This stuff is a beast after it seperates, you have to CUT the layers apart.

 

[mycelium]

Lmao, I was wanting to meet nitromethane gal
that pussy would be the bomb!

 

[mycelium]

I heard about that shit in prison down south, and I said "you know that's not how drugs are made, right?

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

I saw a report form as police office where they were trying to track down the origin of these legends and they were selling pseudoephedrine to junkies and telling them it was meth and asking them if it was anygood, and they mostltly said things like "it's got a little kick, this string dope aint ass strong as meth, but itll get you high, there's something to it, it's got legs" and shit like that. These mother fuckers don't have a tooth in thier head, 25 years old, dropped out f H.ZS. sophmore year, working on a hog farm.....our government gave the Chinese some ungodly amount of money to improve their education section. What the fuck is wrong with these people? There's 1000's of Americans who can barely read and write, and were funding Chinese education?! When I was 19 or 20 and went into prison, I was the only person at intake who got every question right on the entrance test, out of 320 people (you had to "do a workbook" for every question you got wrong, that is the prison educationn plan. get a GED if you can).. I think there was only 1-2 other people who graduated high school. That's the state of American education. well, that was the state 25 years ago and I don't think its improved.

 

[mycelium]

It hasn't.
If you've ever seen the movie 'idiocracy' where everyone thinks that dude is the smartest person in the world, that's like me in prison...everyone thought I was a genius because I could do 4x4 in my head....

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

There is actually something to it. I mean, there might have been at one time, anyway. Some things that may have been common sense or otherwise helpful might have been omitted and forgotten over time. Like the game telephone, this recipe has probably broken way down over the years of being passed on. It might not have been a recipe for meth HCl but maybe some kind of strange 'one-pot' tek for an OTC Henry reaction for P2P or P2NP or something. An incomplete or a part of a whole.
I think - if anything - at one point, the ingredients in some particular products might have made it possible to do a large scale batch and get a yield of something useful towards making meth along one of these routes. After spending so much time researching how to figure it out for myself, I believe that was how I noticed, all the particular ingredients and procedure conform to similar pattern.
Again it almost makes sense if you look back and think some products may have had this or that in it at one time, or if you add one or two things to it, *maybe* it *could* work?

Yea, I remember thinking this going through my grandpas workshop of old paint cans and other shit from the 70's and 80's and looking at all the ingredients in the products...

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

That sounds about right, there are 1000's of drugs you have never even heard of, they were prescription drugs in the 40's and 50's or maybe they naver made it out of testing ect. There are a ton of simple drugs, the problem is finding them. If you take the...whatever, out of bertel nuts, a grignard reagent will turn it into 4-5 drugs, each a little different depending on what exact grignard you used. There are abundant plants that have chemicals that are phenylethylamines, but they aren't active, but they are 1 step from being active and are completely ignored. There are 15 species of plant that produce small amounts of cocaine and there is even a plant you have never heard of that produces as much cocaine as Erythoxylum coca or novagratense, hardly anyone knows a damn thing about it

 

[mycelium]

Will you tell us, or is it a secret?

 

[mewnmewamine]

No idea about any plant that produces as much as erythoxylum coca or novagratense other than other plants in the genus (eg; var. ipadu or truxillense)

Does seem possible maybe other though i have my doubts seeing as the enzymes MecgoR and CS are unique to the erythoxylum genus however if he can show it id love to know more.

The biosynthetic pathway of solanaceae and erythoxylum have been proven to of evolved separately
(Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. 109 (26): 10304–9)
That would of been the genus that produces the closest compounds to cocaine with that ruled out i dont see many other possibilities enlighten us osmosis.


TLDR; Calling bullshit nut up or shut up osmosis.

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

We know there are dozens of other plants that have dozens of other active alkaloids, don't we guys? Of course, there are all sorts of distant relatives and cousins of the coca plant. I don't think they are plants we would be able to forage for in NA anyhow. NA Sass albidum isn't the only plant on earth that contains safrole. ...and so on. These aren't the easiest things to find references and things for either.

 

[mewnmewamine]

Yes but it is the only genus to contain the enzyme MecgoR responsible for reducing methyl ecognone to methyl ecognine and cocaine synthase for methyl ecognine ---> cocaine

If the plants dont contain the enzymes they cant make it the other plants that also produce safrole unsurprisingly also contain the same enzymes.

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

I see your point. Apparently it is a secret too. Uncle Osmo likes to do this. ;]

 

[whirlwind]

I knew about this when I was younger. It's a way to make meth that is more friendly to apartments or hotels and something about the pressure exerting on the reaction produced this like golden, syrupy yellow reaction mixture, much deeper in color than any not from a pressure cooker.
YOu go to La cer d' table or something like that, it's a high end kitchen store and they had these huge, tall pressure cookers that had 6-9 twist down clamps around the lid to keep it on. The procedure is less exciting though.
1. Get a 1 gallon fuel can from the gas station and pivot it so its on its side where you can see the bottom corner directly through the lid spout. Pour your I2 down there so that it settles on that specific side of the bottom of the can. Next, slowly do something of the opposite, pivoting it so that while the I2 stays on the other side you've also lifted the other side where you carefully pour all your hypo. With this, if your careful and brave you've managed to put both reactants in the gas can without allowing them to mix yet. Quickly screw down the gas lid, once its on shake that bitch a good few times and toss her like 20 feet away. It'll fume a little, puff up like a marshmellow and appear like it's gonna pop at any moment but after an hour you can easily remove the lid, theres no pressure, and pour out the HI acid into a mason jar.
2. Put the holder thing into the pressure cooker that allows you to put mason jars around it in a circle without letting them falll over. Divide your pse amongst your jars and your HI into those as welll. It doesn't react when put on the pse so its chill now.
3. Screw the mason jar lids on tight and put a good amount of water in the cooker. Screw down the lid and put it on the stove for like 20-26 hours.
It's allow the reactions in each jar and when they come out the rx looks crazy thick but following that its all the same.
Just a way to make it more family friendly or urban friendly I guess. I always liked the product better than others but its a little time consuming and industrial pressure cookers, while looking less suspicious than glassware, do stand out.

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

An interesting take on making HI for certain.