Question Estava a tentar lembrar-me de um cozinheiro de uma panela de barro. Penso que estou correto, alguém me pode ajudar?

[chewie12321]

A minha experiência com a metanfetamina foi muito boa, pois aprendi a fazer anfetaminas, amoníaco, droga vermelha e preta e outras drogas de cozedura a frio, que eu ia experimentar pelo simples facto de não ter de ir a um traficante para obter qualquer coisa, só para tratar dos meus hábitos e pronto, mas estou preso nos detalhes.

1 onça de NitroMethane GaI
2 Lúpulo número 9 para azular a arma 7 onças
3 Varetas de soldadura com pontas cor de laranja para o nicho
4 ? creio que há carvão ativado mas não tenho a certeza
5 tampa com fita adesiva bem fechada cozinhar em alta durante 12 horas e depois deixar repousar e arrefecer durante 12 horas

quando estiver pronto, há duas camadas: uma camada superior, que é toda a metanfetamina, que precisa de ser cortada do fundo; deita fora a camada inferior e certifica-te de que não deixas cair nada no teu cristal, pois a água pode ser venenosa.

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

Nah, cara, isso soa como receita para droga de corda para mim, acho que a droga de vespa tem mais retorno para seu dinheiro, embora🫣, estou surpreso que não tenha sido descoberto antes. Você está lá fora e bateu em um ninho de vespas e elas estão chateadas! Mas já está, inseticida, spray de vespas, um pouco de fogo cruzado.....
Só para ter a certeza, não, isso não faz nada. Um buraco na carteira, talvez
Na verdade, são muitos nitratos, pode ser uma reação extremamente energética.
Não, quem diria, o azul das armas é salitre. O sal de merda Peter é muito útil.

 

[mycelium]

Yess sir it is, a little salt peter, a little charcoal, and some sulfur from the grow store, gnome same?

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

Aqui estão alguns ingredientes do Hoppe's No. 9 Gun Bore Cleaner:
Isobutano: 1000 ppm
Querosene: 800 ppm
Etanol: 100 mg/m³
Ácido oleico: 1000 ppm
Citronelal: 100 ppm
Hidróxido de amónio: Menos de 1%
(R)-p-menta-1,8-dieno: Menos de 1%
1,8 cineol: Menos de 1%

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

Totalmente uma receita de droga de cadeia. É muito engraçado quando todos os "bons velhos rapazes" do sul vêm cumprir pena no nordeste, todos eles trazem a história de que são chefes de gangues de motoqueiros. Lembro-me de, quando tinha 20 e poucos anos, ter sido regalado por um colega de cela da Florida que "fabricava e vendia quilos de metanfetaminas" segundo a infame técnica do "string dope". Provavelmente ainda a tenho escrita algures, com detalhes e proporções exactas. Foi a primeira vez que a ouvi. Ouvi variações diferentes de algumas pessoas diferentes ao longo dos anos, mas a ideia geral é a mesma. Sabendo o que sei agora, é muito engraçado quando as pessoas tentam falar-me sobre isso como se soubessem algo que mais ninguém sabe - como se tivessem um ás na manga que pudessem sacar e fazer uma fortuna sempre que precisassem de um peixe. Só tenho de esperar um mês para que o aquário que enterrei cheio de carvão de filtro e azul de pistola reaja e faça crescer gelo em todas as cordas. ... Ou foram 12 horas? Depois de "cozinhar em lume alto" durante 12 horas... hmmm... seja lá o que for.... vai começar a crescer um dia destes...
De qualquer forma, vou estar a cantar...' "we're in the money..." num instante...

 

[InnocentBystander23]

O mesmo acontece na costa oeste, irmão!

 

[tetr000]

Haha Adoro isto. É a primeira vez que ouço falar disto em particular, mas consigo identificar-me.

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

Just to be sure guys, Nitromethan gal ain't coming to this party, even if Nicole gets orange tips. Who activated the charchole and what does that 3ven mean? This stuff is a beast after it seperates, you have to CUT the layers apart.

 

[mycelium]

Lmao, I was wanting to meet nitromethane gal
that pussy would be the bomb!

 

[mycelium]

I heard about that shit in prison down south, and I said "you know that's not how drugs are made, right?

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

I saw a report form as police office where they were trying to track down the origin of these legends and they were selling pseudoephedrine to junkies and telling them it was meth and asking them if it was anygood, and they mostltly said things like "it's got a little kick, this string dope aint ass strong as meth, but itll get you high, there's something to it, it's got legs" and shit like that. These mother fuckers don't have a tooth in thier head, 25 years old, dropped out f H.ZS. sophmore year, working on a hog farm.....our government gave the Chinese some ungodly amount of money to improve their education section. What the fuck is wrong with these people? There's 1000's of Americans who can barely read and write, and were funding Chinese education?! When I was 19 or 20 and went into prison, I was the only person at intake who got every question right on the entrance test, out of 320 people (you had to "do a workbook" for every question you got wrong, that is the prison educationn plan. get a GED if you can).. I think there was only 1-2 other people who graduated high school. That's the state of American education. well, that was the state 25 years ago and I don't think its improved.

 

[mycelium]

It hasn't.
If you've ever seen the movie 'idiocracy' where everyone thinks that dude is the smartest person in the world, that's like me in prison...everyone thought I was a genius because I could do 4x4 in my head....

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

There is actually something to it. I mean, there might have been at one time, anyway. Some things that may have been common sense or otherwise helpful might have been omitted and forgotten over time. Like the game telephone, this recipe has probably broken way down over the years of being passed on. It might not have been a recipe for meth HCl but maybe some kind of strange 'one-pot' tek for an OTC Henry reaction for P2P or P2NP or something. An incomplete or a part of a whole.
I think - if anything - at one point, the ingredients in some particular products might have made it possible to do a large scale batch and get a yield of something useful towards making meth along one of these routes. After spending so much time researching how to figure it out for myself, I believe that was how I noticed, all the particular ingredients and procedure conform to similar pattern.
Again it almost makes sense if you look back and think some products may have had this or that in it at one time, or if you add one or two things to it, *maybe* it *could* work?

Yea, I remember thinking this going through my grandpas workshop of old paint cans and other shit from the 70's and 80's and looking at all the ingredients in the products...

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

That sounds about right, there are 1000's of drugs you have never even heard of, they were prescription drugs in the 40's and 50's or maybe they naver made it out of testing ect. There are a ton of simple drugs, the problem is finding them. If you take the...whatever, out of bertel nuts, a grignard reagent will turn it into 4-5 drugs, each a little different depending on what exact grignard you used. There are abundant plants that have chemicals that are phenylethylamines, but they aren't active, but they are 1 step from being active and are completely ignored. There are 15 species of plant that produce small amounts of cocaine and there is even a plant you have never heard of that produces as much cocaine as Erythoxylum coca or novagratense, hardly anyone knows a damn thing about it

 

[mycelium]

Will you tell us, or is it a secret?

 

[mewnmewamine]

No idea about any plant that produces as much as erythoxylum coca or novagratense other than other plants in the genus (eg; var. ipadu or truxillense)

Does seem possible maybe other though i have my doubts seeing as the enzymes MecgoR and CS are unique to the erythoxylum genus however if he can show it id love to know more.

The biosynthetic pathway of solanaceae and erythoxylum have been proven to of evolved separately
(Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. 109 (26): 10304–9)
That would of been the genus that produces the closest compounds to cocaine with that ruled out i dont see many other possibilities enlighten us osmosis.


TLDR; Calling bullshit nut up or shut up osmosis.

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

We know there are dozens of other plants that have dozens of other active alkaloids, don't we guys? Of course, there are all sorts of distant relatives and cousins of the coca plant. I don't think they are plants we would be able to forage for in NA anyhow. NA Sass albidum isn't the only plant on earth that contains safrole. ...and so on. These aren't the easiest things to find references and things for either.

 

[mewnmewamine]

Yes but it is the only genus to contain the enzyme MecgoR responsible for reducing methyl ecognone to methyl ecognine and cocaine synthase for methyl ecognine ---> cocaine

If the plants dont contain the enzymes they cant make it the other plants that also produce safrole unsurprisingly also contain the same enzymes.

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

I see your point. Apparently it is a secret too. Uncle Osmo likes to do this. ;]

 

[whirlwind]

I knew about this when I was younger. It's a way to make meth that is more friendly to apartments or hotels and something about the pressure exerting on the reaction produced this like golden, syrupy yellow reaction mixture, much deeper in color than any not from a pressure cooker.
YOu go to La cer d' table or something like that, it's a high end kitchen store and they had these huge, tall pressure cookers that had 6-9 twist down clamps around the lid to keep it on. The procedure is less exciting though.
1. Get a 1 gallon fuel can from the gas station and pivot it so its on its side where you can see the bottom corner directly through the lid spout. Pour your I2 down there so that it settles on that specific side of the bottom of the can. Next, slowly do something of the opposite, pivoting it so that while the I2 stays on the other side you've also lifted the other side where you carefully pour all your hypo. With this, if your careful and brave you've managed to put both reactants in the gas can without allowing them to mix yet. Quickly screw down the gas lid, once its on shake that bitch a good few times and toss her like 20 feet away. It'll fume a little, puff up like a marshmellow and appear like it's gonna pop at any moment but after an hour you can easily remove the lid, theres no pressure, and pour out the HI acid into a mason jar.
2. Put the holder thing into the pressure cooker that allows you to put mason jars around it in a circle without letting them falll over. Divide your pse amongst your jars and your HI into those as welll. It doesn't react when put on the pse so its chill now.
3. Screw the mason jar lids on tight and put a good amount of water in the cooker. Screw down the lid and put it on the stove for like 20-26 hours.
It's allow the reactions in each jar and when they come out the rx looks crazy thick but following that its all the same.
Just a way to make it more family friendly or urban friendly I guess. I always liked the product better than others but its a little time consuming and industrial pressure cookers, while looking less suspicious than glassware, do stand out.

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

An interesting take on making HI for certain.