Syntéza fenylacetónu (P2P) z benzaldehydu s butanónom

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Nie, bude to iná cesta. Acetoxy len s kyselinou peroctovou.
 

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No it is also acetoxy
 

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Chystám sa vyskúšať túto syntézu s dichlórmetánom (DCM). Nevidím v tom problém, len to, že bude ťažší ako voda. Existuje nejaký dôvod, prečo nepoužiť ľahko dostupný DCM a syntézu chloroformu?
 

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Bisulfite adduct is easier and produces a higher purity
 

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Aldolová kondenzácia.

Pokyny k nej sa nachádzajú v časti Organické reakcie



Tento zápis sa zdá byť viac v súlade s tým, čo vidím. Skúsil niekto skutočne extrahovať rozpúšťadlom z organickej vrstvy. Použitie chloroformu nebude fungovať, pretože sa mieša s organickou vrstvou. Ak mi niečo neuniklo, treba tento zápis otestovať a upraviť.

Skúšal už niekto tento syntézu.
 

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V PORIADKU. Stačí zahrievať benzohydy a MEK s kyselinou chlorovodíkovou približne 3 až 5 hodín. Teplota: 90-110 C.
Len mi poďakujte. :)
 
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Všetci tvrdia, že táto metóda má nedostatky. Získal už niekto touto metódou naozaj významné výťažky?
 

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Túto metódu som použil mnohokrát. Trochu upravená. Najlepšie výsledky som dosiahol pri 30 ml P2P zo 100 ml benzaldehydu. Poznám aj niekoľko ľudí, ktorí túto reakciu veľa skúmali; ich najlepšie výsledky boli okolo 35 ml P2P.

Pracovná metóda:

1. Metylfenylbutenón pripravený takto: 500 ml benzaldehydu sa zmieša s 1000 ml MEK. Zmes sa ochladí v pohári naplnenom ľadom na približne +5 stupňov.
2. K tomu sa pridá vodný roztok HCL, 35-37 %, (musíte pridať 100 g čistej HCL, čo zodpovedá približne 286 ml 37 % HCL).
3. Premiešajte a nechajte vo vedre s ľadom cez noc, nech sa ľad rozpustí.
4. Počkajte ešte 24 hodín
5. Dajte ju do oddeľovacieho lievika, spodnú vrstvu vyhoďte.
6. Tmavohnedočervenú zmes premyte 500 ml vody, vodu zlikvidujte.
7. Destilujte všetko, čo vrie pod 150 stupňov pri atmosférickom tlaku, a zlikvidujte
8. Zvyšok destilujte vo vákuu, aby ste získali žltý olej

Tento olej pri státí do týždňa stmavne.


Bayer-Villiger:
1. 100 ml vyššie pripraveného oleja pridajte do zmesi 300 ml ľadovej kyseliny octovej a 100 ml 50 % peroxidu vodíka.
2. Zahrejte a miešajte pri teplote 55 stupňov.
3. Keď sa reakcia začne, teplota stúpne nad 55..60 (približne 1..2 hodiny) : to je indikácia na vypnutie ohrevu. Ak sa teplota vyšplhá na 70, trochu ochlaďte banku pod tečúcou vodou.
4. Miešajte, kým teplota neklesne späť na 50..55 °C, potom opäť zapnite ohrev
5. Miešajte a zahrievajte 6 hodín
7. Zmes prelejte do 1 l vody, 3-krát extrahujte 100+100+100 ml DCM
8. Oddestilujte DCM


Zmäkčovanie:
1. Vložte Bayerov-Villigerov produkt z predchádzajúceho kroku do banky za miešania. Pomaly pridajte
roztok NaOH (30 g NaOH, 250 ml vody, 250 ml etanolu). Pomaly, to znamená po kvapkách, asi 3..5 kvapiek za sekundu. Zmes sa stáva červenooranžovou

2. Na konci pridávania by pH malo byť vyššie ako 12
3. Do zmesi pridajte kyselinu octovú (ľubovoľné percento) až do neutrálneho pH. Zmes sa zmení na žltú
4. Prelejte ju do 1 l vody a 3-krát extrahujte 100+100+100 ml DCM
5. Oddestilujte DCM a stopy etanolu pri atmosférickom tlaku
6. Destilujte P2P vo vákuu.
7. V banke zostane veľa dechtu
 
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I just wanted to point out that there are new studies done about this. The more MEK that is used the less byproducts that are formed. In the study I read they used a ratio of 1 to 6 (1 benzaldehyde to 6 MEK) but when they increased this amount to 8 times and 10 times all byproducts disappeared
 

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10 g benzaldehydu + 24 g MEK + 28 g hydrok.kyseliny (~20 %) = 28 g kryštálov, vysušených v pyrexovej miske = 13 g kryštálov.
Jednoducho. Po skončení zahrievania extrahujte hnedú organickú vrstvu. Premyte 40 ml vody. Opäť extrahujte. Pridajte 20 ml:s 10 % roztoku KOH. Zbavte sa vody. Skontrolujte pH. Ak je príliš kyslé alebo príliš zásadité, nastavte ho na 7. Znova sa zbavte vody. Dajte to do mrazničky, pretože potom môžete po zmrazení vyliať mastné svinstvo a získať takmer biele kryštály. Kryštáliky dajte do pyrexovej misky alebo niečoho podobného a vysušte ich. Môže to skvapalnieť, ale nie je to problém. Stačí zahriať, zmraziť, zahriať, zmraziť, vysušíte tie kryštáliky, ale nemôžu byť chrumkavo suché. Neviem prečo. Možno sú len také.
 
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Can 3-methyl-4-phenyl-3-buten-2-one be distilled without vacuum?
 

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Lol it turned to some bad stuff without vac... I went on to the next step the next time with some minor cleaning and no distillation....I didn't clean up till the end with steam distillation... works fine... yield still plenty good enough. I hate the way that stuff vac distilled......
 

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Yk vacuum distillation is some kind of demon creation thing
 

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Yup so it wasn't just me... thought I screwed something up but it's pretty easy at that point HA. I've now gotten through the entire thing and just doing a steam distillation at the end and it turns out perfectly every time. Although it took some tries to get there.
 

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Can i use 35% H2O2 instead of 50%?
 

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Synthesis of benzaldehyde
 

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Too much GAA use maybe 1.6lish

Hydrolysis is too long in my exp
1.25eq base and 2hrs worked best for me

you didnt get 50% peroxide and attempt this 💀 will d scale up no testing time again

Purification via methylphenylbutanones bisulfite adduct is so much superior (same with p2p) both for not having to make chloroforms sake and end purity

huge excess of mek? Intentional? also amino acids r a better cat than hcl for the aldol and id use perborate for the villiger as thats higher yielding in my exp than H2O2. Percarbonate is less good getting maybe 35% but much easier and not watched at all
 

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I'm considering purifying P2P using bisulfite, but I've read many times that the recovery is low. What is the yield after re-liberating it from the bisulfite adduct?
 
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80s and 90s just try not to have much water in solution as bisulfite adducts are annoyingly slightly soluble in them :3
 

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Oh wait! U can salt it out too cos its only a tiny bit soluble
 

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Does MPB form a bisulfite adduct? No matter how many times I tried, I wasn’t successful. I tried with water, and with a methanol-water mixture. It just doesn’t work.
 

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The suspected P2P adduct was left to dry on the filter. Right now, its texture is indistinguishable from that of a mica-based eyeshadow — it looks exactly like it. Like phenylacetic acid. Is this normal?
 

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is this route can be scaled down ?
 

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Things essentially always work scaled down its scaling up where things go wrong you should be good :3
 
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