4-MMC and what you actually get.

[cubesquare]

I was having a convo with @Gordon Ramsay and @Heineken about 4-MMC and the topic of testing and quality came up so I wanted to start this thread to capture some of what I have found.

Looking at the massive variation in quality, look and feel, texture and dryness found across many vendors selling this substance, it is no wonder that people are having difficulty understanding what they are getting into.

There is also very little actual medical research into this (and 3-MMC) so dosage, L50 and many other important factors are largely unknown.

Taking at a look at some test stats:
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Sample Name	Substance	Ration/Amounts	Date	Location
	Active Contents
Powder Sold as: 4-MMC / Mephedrone	4-CMC		Jun 30, 2023 (Tested: Jun 15, 2023)	Vienna, Austria
Powder Sold as: 4-MMC / Mephedrone	4-CMC		Jun 30, 2023 (Tested: Jun 01, 2023)	Vienna, Austria
Powder Sold as: Mephedrone / 4-MMC	4-Methylmethcathinone Methamphetamine Unidentified		Jun 15, 2023 (Tested: Apr 01, 2023)	Vienna, Austria
White Powder Code: 384JGS Sold as: 3-MMC	Methylmethcathinone	1	Jun 09, 2023	Online
Tan Powder Code: 10241 Sold as: 4-MMC	Chloromethcathinone	1	May 30, 2023	Online
Donkey Kong DK Sold as: MDMA / Ecstasy	MDMA 4-Methylmethcathinone	27.30 mg 5.90 mg	May 19, 2023 (Tested: Feb 21, 2023)	Zurich, Switzerland
White Powder Code: JB3MMC Sold as: 3-MMC	Methylmethcathinone	1	May 17, 2023	Online, Canada
Off-White Powder Code: 86JLS Sold as: 4-MMC	Methylmethcathinone	1	Apr 28, 2023	Online, Netherlands
Off-White Powder Code: X3s01 Sold as: 3-MMC	Methylmethcathinone	1	Apr 11, 2023	Online, Netherlands
White Powder Code: IHN18 Sold as: 4-MMC	Methylmethcathinone	1	Mar 10, 2023	Online
Powder Sold as: 4-MMC / Mephedrone	Dipentylone		Feb 28, 2023 (Tested: Feb 01, 2023)	Vienna, Austria
Powder Sold as: 4-MMC / Mephedrone	4-CMC		Jan 30, 2023 (Tested: Jan 10, 2023)	Vienna, Austria
White Crystal Powder Code: gnos1 Sold as: 4-MMC / Mephedrone	N-cyclohexyl Methylone	1	Dec 23, 2022	Online

I have just grabbed the 2023 entries that contain 4-MMC.

As can be seen above, even sending things in for testing for such a small sample, yierlds MASSIVE variations with not enough of the samples actually bewing what they claim to be.

Home reagent testing needs to come up with a sure fire way to isolate this compound as both it and the many variations, pose potential risk, particularly when mixed with MDMA, amphetamine and methamphetamine.

 

[Gordon Ramsay]

That's exactly the situation!

When posting those pictures now I do not intend to call any names or talk bad about other vendors. But sharing those pictures from the top vendors of Archetyp I can tell that litterally noone of those vendors is either cleaning their product in a propper way or advertising this product in a correct way.

What is sold nowadays, when it is 'pure' Mephedrone is basically uncleaned Mephedrone powder or crystals containing impurities or solvent.

It is sad to see as Mephedrone can be a beautiful product when done right. As comparison a picture of clean Mephedrone powder vs. clean crystals will be helpful to better understand the horrible market situation

Again, like it happened with Amphetamine Paste, we do have a market situation in which vendors do not care about the product quality and consumers accept it because they do not know better.

Pictures like I have posted above do not only mean bad product quality, they mean harm to health and worse things..stuff like this should be forbidden in the darkweb.

 

[cubesquare]

That's exactly the situation!

When posting those pictures now I do not intend to call any names or talk bad about other vendors. But sharing those pictures from the top vendors of Archetyp I can tell that litterally noone of those vendors is either cleaning their product in a propper way or advertising this product in a correct way.

What is sold nowadays, when it is 'pure' Mephedrone is basically uncleaned Mephedrone powder or crystals containing impurities or solvent.

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It is sad to see as Mephedrone can be a beautiful product when done right. As comparison a picture of clean Mephedrone powder vs. clean crystals will be helpful to better understand the horrible market situation

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Again, like it happened with Amphetamine Paste, we do have a market situation in which vendors do not care about the product quality and consumers accept it because they do not know better.

Pictures like I have posted above do not only mean bad product quality, they mean harm to health and worse things..stuff like this should be forbidden in the darkweb.

Gordon RamsayThose crystals are gorgeous!
Like 3-MMC crystals - they are just pretty, always a shame to crush them haha.

But yes, this speaks volumes about the overall quality we find out in the wild.

 

[Gordon Ramsay]

Those crystals are gorgeous!
Like 3-MMC crystals - they are just pretty, always a shame to crush them haha.

But yes, this speaks volumes about the overall quality we find out in the wild.

cubesquareI think with 4MMC it is easy to fall into the trap of working with easy available routes that kind of produce the target product in an acceptable way. With a little bit of cleaning during the synthesis, especially of pouders the outcome would be improved by a lot. Guessing from the pictures I think that none of those vendors takes the time to either clean the product or carry out a long and clean crystalization process. They just want to sell fast

 

[cubesquare]

I think with 4MMC it is easy to fall into the trap of working with easy available routes that kind of produce the target product in an acceptable way. With a little bit of cleaning during the synthesis, especially of pouders the outcome would be improved by a lot. Guessing from the pictures I think that none of those vendors takes the time to either clean the product or carry out a long and clean crystalization process. They just want to sell fast

Gordon RamsaySell fast... This bothers me.
Someone in another group received WET LSD BLOTTERS the other day from a reputable vendor.
It was probably ethyl alcohol, but still, how can you ship a blotter that is still full of alcohol to a customer, the LSD won't be fully settled, the client has no idea whjat they have received, everyone loses.

Most of the chemists I know don't want to sell substandard, so it becomes vendors/middlemen who are stretching product... sigh.

 

[Gordon Ramsay]

Sell fast... This bothers me.
Someone in another group received WET LSD BLOTTERS the other day from a reputable vendor.
It was probably ethyl alcohol, but still, how can you ship a blotter that is still full of alcohol to a customer, the LSD won't be fully settled, the client has no idea whjat they have received, everyone loses.

Most of the chemists I know don't want to sell substandard, so it becomes vendors/middlemen who are stretching product... sigh.

cubesquareYeah you are right, that is horrible to hear about the LSD.

It is so important when working with chemical drugs to sell pure substances in a good quality only.
The consequences can be horrendous when this is not done

Many vendors nowadays are also manufacturers themselves as knowledge for the manufacturing of drugs is not something that is available or understandable for chemists only.

 

[xile]

Yeah you are right, that is horrible to hear about the LSD.

It is so important when working with chemical drugs to sell pure substances in a good quality only.
The consequences can be horrendous when this is not done

Many vendors nowadays are also manufacturers themselves as knowledge for the manufacturing of drugs is not something that is available or understandable for chemists only.

Gordon RamsayPhysicists also understand the processes, but the specialist knowledge needs to be reworked.

 

[BevItUp]

That's exactly the situation!

When posting those pictures now I do not intend to call any names or talk bad about other vendors. But sharing those pictures from the top vendors of Archetyp I can tell that litterally noone of those vendors is either cleaning their product in a propper way or advertising this product in a correct way.

What is sold nowadays, when it is 'pure' Mephedrone is basically uncleaned Mephedrone powder or crystals containing impurities or solvent.

View attachment 18124 View attachment 18125 View attachment 18126 View attachment 18127 View attachment 18128 View attachment 18129

It is sad to see as Mephedrone can be a beautiful product when done right. As comparison a picture of clean Mephedrone powder vs. clean crystals will be helpful to better understand the horrible market situation

View attachment 18130 View attachment 18131 View attachment 18132

Again, like it happened with Amphetamine Paste, we do have a market situation in which vendors do not care about the product quality and consumers accept it because they do not know better.

Pictures like I have posted above do not only mean bad product quality, they mean harm to health and worse things..stuff like this should be forbidden in the darkweb.

Gordon RamsayI feel like I just follow you around, because every time I'm looking for information I end up on one of your posts

Yes! These pictures are exactly what I was looking for. I've been wanting to try some Mephedrone for while now. At first I was going to make it, but I concluded I didn't want to mess with bromine in my home kitchen. So, decided to buy. First purchase was 2g from one of the vendors here. Whatever I got didn't do anything. I went through the entire 2g and didn't even get a headache.

Earlier I was looking on Archetyp, so I've seen those pics before. Went through a bunch of listings, I swear one of them just looked like p2p.

At least now I know I should be looking for snowflake like crystals, so thanks.

Also, it seems like all the vendors are in EU. This seems like the kind of product someone could get rich quick with in the US. Especially if they made a quality product so people would know what it should be. Just doing that would cut out what little competition there is.

 

[Gordon Ramsay]

I feel like I just follow you around, because every time I'm looking for information I end up on one of your posts

Yes! These pictures are exactly what I was looking for. I've been wanting to try some Mephedrone for while now. At first I was going to make it, but I concluded I didn't want to mess with bromine in my home kitchen. So, decided to buy. First purchase was 2g from one of the vendors here. Whatever I got didn't do anything. I went through the entire 2g and didn't even get a headache.

Earlier I was looking on Archetyp, so I've seen those pics before. Went through a bunch of listings, I swear one of them just looked like p2p.

At least now I know I should be looking for snowflake like crystals, so thanks.

Also, it seems like all the vendors are in EU. This seems like the kind of product someone could get rich quick with in the US. Especially if they made a quality product so people would know what it should be. Just doing that would cut out what little competition there is.

BevItUpHaha I am glad I can help you with the posts

I think that anyone that can produce this product in a good quality is set for a successful business as the market is still fairly small but growing fast!
It is easy at the moment to stand out from the crowd with a high quality product

 

[Heineken]

Haha I am glad I can help you with the posts

I think that anyone that can produce this product in a good quality is set for a successful business as the market is still fairly small but growing fast!
It is easy at the moment to stand out from the crowd with a high quality product

Gordon RamsayNo every body made pure cristal one some % people who want made product premium much lab made dirty product want sell fast and cheap....

 

[Heineken]

Haha I am glad I can help you with the posts

I think that anyone that can produce this product in a good quality is set for a successful business as the market is still fairly small but growing fast!
It is easy at the moment to stand out from the crowd with a high quality product

Gordon RamsayNo every body made pure cristal one some % people who want made product premium much lab made dirty product want sell fast and cheap

 

[Heineken]

That's exactly the situation!

When posting those pictures now I do not intend to call any names or talk bad about other vendors. But sharing those pictures from the top vendors of Archetyp I can tell that litterally noone of those vendors is either cleaning their product in a propper way or advertising this product in a correct way.

What is sold nowadays, when it is 'pure' Mephedrone is basically uncleaned Mephedrone powder or crystals containing impurities or solvent.

View attachment 18124 View attachment 18125 View attachment 18126 View attachment 18127 View attachment 18128 View attachment 18129

It is sad to see as Mephedrone can be a beautiful product when done right. As comparison a picture of clean Mephedrone powder vs. clean crystals will be helpful to better understand the horrible market situation

View attachment 18130 View attachment 18131 View attachment 18132

Again, like it happened with Amphetamine Paste, we do have a market situation in which vendors do not care about the product quality and consumers accept it because they do not know better.

Pictures like I have posted above do not only mean bad product quality, they mean harm to health and worse things..stuff like this should be forbidden in the darkweb.

Gordon Ramsaypolish product ✓

 

[Heineken]

the synthesis of 4mmc is very simple but incomprehensible to most manufacturers. from what you can see, the big problem is cleanliness, where laboratories do not care about it, but about the quantity and the fastest and cheapest way to do it. another problem is crystallization is also very simple but for most labs in nl or pl or de it is a big problem. Quality=price.

 

[Gordon Ramsay]

the synthesis of 4mmc is very simple but incomprehensible to most manufacturers. from what you can see, the big problem is cleanliness, where laboratories do not care about it, but about the quantity and the fastest and cheapest way to do it. another problem is crystallization is also very simple but for most labs in nl or pl or de it is a big problem. Quality=price.

HeinekenI see that most 4MMC is being sold for 5k per kilo reagardeless of the quality actually so I doubt that the market currently tries to differentiate.

When we see what the results from the video guides look like and what anyone else is offering, I have never seen crystals that would come close to those pictures/videos from the BB administration and it is sad that all product that is being sold is from a minor quality like shown above.

 

[cubesquare]

I see that most 4MMC is being sold for 5k per kilo reagardeless of the quality actually so I doubt that the market currently tries to differentiate.

When we see what the results from the video guides look like and what anyone else is offering, I have never seen crystals that would come close to those pictures/videos from the BB administration and it is sad that all product that is being sold is from a minor quality like shown above.

Gordon RamsayI have only ever seen 3-MMC with those pretty glass like crystals...

 

[Heineken]

I see that most 4MMC is being sold for 5k per kilo reagardeless of the quality actually so I doubt that the market currently tries to differentiate.

When we see what the results from the video guides look like and what anyone else is offering, I have never seen crystals that would come close to those pictures/videos from the BB administration and it is sad that all product that is being sold is from a minor quality like shown above.

Gordon Ramsayonly 1 video is good where u made real pure and good 4mmc with benzen why because when u throw acid u need get milf white color liquid then u dont get shit inside product.Only wash acetone is Not enough to wash all shit inside product

 

[Gordon Ramsay]

I have only ever seen 3-MMC with those pretty glass like crystals...

cubesquareI will start on a batch of 4MMC soon and I am thrilled to produce glass like crystals like this Let's see..

 

[Gordon Ramsay]

only 1 video is good where u made real pure and good 4mmc with benzen why because when u throw acid u need get milf white color liquid then u dont get shit inside product.Only wash acetone is Not enough to wash all shit inside product

HeinekenMy experience with 4MMC is yet too low (non existent) to discuss crystalization methods

 

[Frit Buchner]

With all of the different recipes out there, and people producing stuff clandestinely and without education or laboratory equipment, some of these guys don't even know they are making 3-mmc when they are trying to make 4-mmc. The amount of information it takes to make a stable carbonation, direct the right position and have a pure substitution..... It's a lot. It's tough to para direct a ketone, ketones are meta directors. As far as I can tell there is no way to get above 92% purity of any substituted aromatic ketone. That's taking a bag of ice from an iceburg. I think cathiones are just that way aldehydes are problematic for the same reason. Chemistry is disheartening

 

[MMCHAMSTER]

This forum is amazing, l gave up the search actually but l see hope here.
And yes the Darknet stuff the last two years was all shit. We know.

 

[Gordon Ramsay]

This forum is amazing, l gave up the search actually but l see hope here.
And yes the Darknet stuff the last two years was all shit. We know.

MMCHAMSTERWelcome to the community