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hello, I tried to cook it but it didn't work after 5 attempts, I failed, but when I made amphetamine it worked, I was thinking if my p2p had a problem, but I measured the boiling point and it was correct p2p, even though I have a video of making meth clearly,and i followed it but i didn't get anything...
 

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hello, I tried to cook it but it didn't work after 5 attempts, I failed, but when I made amphetamine it worked, I was thinking if my p2p had a problem, but I measured the boiling point and it was correct p2p, even though I have a video of making meth clearly,and i followed it but i didn't get anything...
Yusuf
Did you make hydrolisis of n-formylamphetamine with naoh+methanol, or did you do hydrolisis with acid?
Can you please post short synthesis how you did from p2p to amphetamine? (with reaction time and temperature please)
 
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Did you make hydrolysis of n-formylamphetamine with NaOH+methanol, or did you do hydrolysis with acid?
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I did not know that basified what possible with NaOH+methanol ?
so what you are saying is that after you cook your N-formy with HCl for two hours, you're basified with NaOH+methanol ?
don't get this ???
 

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how much Naoh you use for 100ml N-formy
and how much methanol you use for disolving the Naoh ?
 

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Did you make hydrolisis of n-formylamphetamine with naoh+methanol, or did you do hydrolisis with acid?
Can you please post short synthesis how you did from p2p to amphetamine? (with reaction time and temperature please)
ChingShih
this makes no sense at al after we got ph14 if you add than acid again your ph drops back to 1 also if we add methanol ph drops again

@HIGGS BOSSON @G.Patton

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sorry edit not possible
 
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hello, I mixed 40 mlp2p, 100 ml ethanol, 25% ammonia 200 ml, aluminum foil, 20 grams, for the amalgam, I heated the reaction for 3 hours at a temperature, 69-80 degrees. after that I filtered it and got a white oil-free base layer, 25 grams, I made amphetamine with mixed the oil with acetone and dripped sulfuric acid up to ph6, and put it in the refrigerator, and I got 8 grams of white powder precipitate after drying and weighing, but when I extracted amphetamine from aqueous solution which I extracted with petroleum ether, I only got 1 gram... I think it's like that, friends.
 

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I did not know that basified what possible with NaOH+methanol ?
so what you are saying is that after you cook your N-formy with HCl for two hours, you're basified with NaOH+methanol ?
don't get this ???
Saul
There are 2 options when doing Hydrolisis, first is the normal old school way with HCL acid, so n-formylamphetamine + 37% hcl and boil for 2 hours
The second option which is kept in dark secret (and I don't know why????) is Hydrolisis with NaOH + Methanol, so you pour n-formylamphetamine + NaOH solution + Methanol inside reaction vessel and then boil it for 2 hours I think

But someone who has experience with Hydrolisis with NaOH+Methanol should clear up the situation and explain how it really works
@Hank Schrader
 

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There are 2 options when doing Hydrolysis, first is the normal old school way with HCL acid, so n-formylamphetamine + 37% HCl and boil for 2 hours
The second option which is kept in dark secret (and I don't know why????) is Hydrolysis with NaOH + Methanol, so you pour n-formylamphetamine + NaOH solution + Methanol inside reaction vessel and then boil it for 2 hours I think

But someone who has experience with Hydrolysis with NaOH+Methanol should clear up the situation and explain how it really works
@Hank Schrader
ChingShih
yesterday I prepared a solution off 300ml methanol + 35gr NaOH it takes 3 hours to solve, but I think this is allot better this way
Because we need methanol anyway in an later stadium . and then you are sure there is no water left in the solution.

but I think you still need HCl to boil with N-formy for tho hours.
my next try will be after boiling HCl + N-formy for two hours seperate and basified with mix methanol / NaOH
and no toluene, NEVER AGAIN
 

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yesterday I prepared a solution off 300ml methanol + 35gr NaOH it takes 3 hours to solve, but I think this is allot better this way
Because we need methanol anyway in an later stadium . and then you are sure there is no water left in the solution.

but I think you still need HCl to boil with N-formy for tho hours.
my next try will be after boiling HCl + N-formy for two hours seperate and basified with mix methanol / NaOH
and no toluene, NEVER AGAIN
Saul
You do not listen friend, I wrote there are 2 ways of Hydrolisis you are again doing it your way, you will fail again!
Boil N-formyl with NaOH 50% solution + Methanol, in ratio 1:1:1, and post here if there is any success so we all learn from this experiment
 

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You do not listen friend, I wrote there are 2 ways of Hydrolysis you are again doing it your way, you will fail again!
Boil N-formyl with NaOH 50% solution + Methanol, in ratio 1:1:1, and post here if there is any success, so we all learn from this experiment
ChingShih
how do you prepaire your NaOH solution with water or methanol ?

I also ask before if I add the NaOH solution to the N-formy if I must boil it again, and they say no
Because the temp be not higher than 60°c

To me, this makes no sense, but this is what people say here.
I personally think these syntheses only can work if we add HCL gas to the solution.
but it is very hard to make this.
 

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how do you prepaire your NaOH solution with water or methanol ?

I also ask before if I add the NaOH solution to the N-formy if I must boil it again, and they say no
Because the temp be not higher than 60°c

To me, this makes no sense, but this is what people say here.
I personally think these syntheses only can work if we add HCL gas to the solution.
but it is very hard to make this.
Saul
I didnt try to do this hydrolisis way with naoh+methanol, so you will have to make experiments for yourself
no need to add hcl gas to the solution, you are after amph. sulphate not amph. hydrochloride
you only have to make leuckart first (which you already made), then boil the n-formyl either with hcl acid OR naoh+methanol to perform hydrolisis
then make steam distillation of the final reaction, and voila your clean freebase should be there
 

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I didnt try to do this hydrolisis way with naoh+methanol, so you will have to make experiments for yourself
no need to add hcl gas to the solution, you are after amph. sulphate not amph. hydrochloride
you only have to make leuckart first (which you already made), then boil the n-formyl either with hcl acid OR naoh+methanol to perform hydrolisis
then make steam distillation of the final reaction, and voila your clean freebase should be there
ChingShihHello for steam distillation you just take the black liquid or do you add something else
you dont take out the water you use for naoh ?
you just steam distill everything ?
 

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Can we use petroleum ether instead of ethyl ether?
 

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Hello for steam distillation you just take the black liquid or do you add something else
you dont take out the water you use for naoh ?
you just steam distill everything ?
turk
i dont have experience with this reaction
so if you will make it then please post here on forum so we all learn
this synthesis has to see the light of the day finally, because it was kept in dark for too long in the underground scene....
 

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p2p- amphetamine
Is there any other effective synthesis?
Could you please share a more efficient synthesis?
 

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p2p- amphetamine
Is there any other effective synthesis?
Could you please share a more efficient synthesis?
jokerrI’m afraid this is it for amphetamine.Benzyl methyl ketone is more suited for meth
 

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I’m afraid this is it for amphetamine.Benzyl methyl ketone is more suited for meth
UWe9o12jkied91dhello friend, what is your reason for saying you are worried about p2p to amphetamine, isn't it in the literature that erowid says p2p to amphetamine can produce 99% purity, even though it's still racemat, can you explain.
 

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Is there an alternative to diethyl ether (Et2O)?
Can DCM be used?
 

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Is there an alternative to diethyl ether (Et2O)?
Can DCM be used?
jokerr
don't use toluene, it is not working at all .
I think steam destination is the best.
my black liquid transfer to a light yellow liquid.
but it takes a long time, and my first try was not so good.
I had only a little from 100ml black liquid.

my next try I use a 3 neck flask, I connect my pear shape separator funnel to it and fill with water.
slowly, dropwise, add the water to the flask where my black liquid is located.
every time the water connect with the black liquid, you get steam .
this steam reflux and collect it in a cylinder
 

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don't use toluene, it is not working at all .
I think steam destination is the best.
my black liquid transfer to a light yellow liquid.
but it takes a long time, and my first try was not so good.
I had only a little from 100ml black liquid.

my next try I use a 3 neck flask, I connect my pear shape separator funnel to it and fill with water.
slowly, dropwise, add the water to the flask where my black liquid is located.
every time the water connect with the black liquid, you get steam .
this steam reflux and collect it in a cylinder
SaulWhat is the result if I use petroleum ether?
Normal ether controlled liquid is not allowed to be sold in my country.
 
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