crystallization

[spdm66]

Hello, im a new user in this forum, and i want to ask for some help
i made methcathinone by using psuedephedrine, kmno4 as oxidant and water as solvent, reduced ph level to 5.5 with hcl, got about 700ml of overall mass (yes i filtered everything and i mean that i got 700ml of clear liquid methcathinone).
I put everything in pyrex dish, turned on heat stove on 60-70 degrees celsius and evaporated all the water, i was left with about 10ml of thick goo (white/yellowish color).
Can someone help me and tell how to crystallize it further to hcl form?
Did i messed up somewhere? If yes then could you please tell me.

Thanks for any help

 

[betaketolove]

you should try an acetone flash
meaning, pour cold acetone on the thick goo (if it's not too late) and crystals should crash out of solution
if the synth wasn't messed up from the get go
you should read the crystallization tutorials in the forum (mephedrone crystallization for ex)
OR
leave the solution to evaporate slowly
tell us how it goes
https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/equipment/rextal.acidbase.html < good read

 

[spdm66]

I left it evaporate slowly and was left with kind of paste, haven't seen any crystals forming, paste reminded me of amph, but in different way. Paste got more and more drier, i spread it across glass plate and dried it carefully in oven at 60 degrees c ,with constant checking, got left with some white/yellow dry powder, that crunched really easily, took 100mg through insufflation route and it felt speedy/ little bit euphoric. It's weird that i can't see visual shiny crystals, but when i crunch it up, i hear crackling, so i think its hcl form (could be wrong).Thank you a lot, i very very appreciate ur advice with cold acetone technique, and gonna try it out soon (seems like a lot faster way of gaining crystals).

Btw do you think that this powder that i got is methcathinone? it hurts nose almost same as methamphetamine.

 

[betaketolove]

If you used the erowid synth, andeverything worked fine, then yep, it's methcat
You should feel the effects by now, I suppose
How did you extract the pseudo?

 

[spdm66]

I poured white pse tablets into a jar filled with 150ml distilled water and heated it in microwawe until it the solution got to 70c, then waited for it to cool down, separated clear contents through double coffee filter to second jar, and repeated the process with the first jar 2 more times. I got left with around 400-410ml of pse solution (40-50ml lost due to coffee filters). I thought of crystallyzing pseudo, but didn't see the point, as i was using diluted kmno4 solution in other jar.

 

[8n398k20k280]

What could I replace the kmno4 oxidizer with?

 

[G.Patton]

We have full tutorial in BB forum about Extraction

you should read the crystallization tutorials in the forum (mephedrone crystallization for ex)

betaketolove

 

[betaketolove]

What could I replace the kmno4 oxidizer with?

8n398k20k280man this stuff is all over the net (still - i'm amazed) > jones reaction in a chilled soln , but that involves many other steps, your best bet is a chilled kmno4 soln maybe in an hcl acidic solution (don't trust me on that> if you want hcl... )
if you use it for your enjoyment, the vinegar stuff helps.. but I'd advise against so much perm (half of the p/eph).. use more like 1:4 in vinegar perm to sudo.. again, the acetic salt is unstable, but it can be dried to "something" oily, further recrysts and refrigeration may help - I don't know , I haven't tried it yet, don't IV this stuff please
try dry acetone/alky AFTER you obtained sudo/eph in pretty much glistening form, AND then use it in the reaction..
and maybe if you 'wake up' (I didn't, I hate it), you'll make methamph

 

[betaketolove]

What could I replace the kmno4 oxidizer with?

8n398k20k280I think Mno2 but don't trust me on that. *MAYBE* any oxidizer will do, but in different conditions,
I would try the h2o2 or chlorine but they sound sketchy/dirty .. You can order perm from various websites, but be careful about quantity and customs .. I just told them I use it for cleaning my aquarium, but old customs guys can't understand this stuff if it's not a common customs thing
Bee careful , as always

 

[betaketolove]

man this stuff is all over the net (still - i'm amazed) > jones reaction in a chilled soln , but that involves many other steps, your best bet is a chilled kmno4 soln maybe in an hcl acidic solution (don't trust me on that> if you want hcl... )
if you use it for your enjoyment, the vinegar stuff helps.. but I'd advise against so much perm (half of the p/eph).. use more like 1:4 in vinegar perm to sudo.. again, the acetic salt is unstable, but it can be dried to "something" oily, further recrysts and refrigeration may help - I don't know , I haven't tried it yet, don't IV this stuff please
try dry acetone/alky AFTER you obtained sudo/eph in pretty much glistening form, AND then use it in the reaction..
and maybe if you 'wake up' (I didn't, I hate it), you'll make methamph

betaketoloveI didnt try the recryst process , because I read organic acids and betaketones aren't very stable, but yes: you can get some dry form of it.
I'd really wish such a simple synthesis was possible with hcl and long crystals... I will try my luck again
Good thread, good forum.. sorry for triple posting, I don't know how to edit posts

 

[Acidosis]

bkmdma crystals. Acetone-2ml per grm+H2O 1ml per grm of powder