Example of isomer separation for Meth

[FredDurst]

btcboss2022 Do you recycle the L-Meth again the get a higher yield as in this diagram? :

 

[Mr Good Cat]

btcboss2022 Do you recycle the L-Meth again the get a higher yield as in this diagram? :

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FredDurstIs there any detailed description of this process? Is it the same for MDMA?

 

[FredDurst]

Is there any detailed description of this process? Is it the same for MDMA?

Mr Good CatThis diagram was the only bit of info I have found on this process. It is from a European law enforcement report explaining the different methods mostly found in EU. It didn't go into much detail.

Why would you need to separate isomers of MDMA?

 

[Mr Good Cat]

This diagram was the only bit of info I have found on this process. It is from a European law enforcement report explaining the different methods mostly found in EU. It didn't go into much detail.

Why would you need to separate isomers of MDMA?

FredDurstI love to resolve difficult questions. And it looks MDMA isomers are different from meth.

 

[花谢花开]

Hello,

After receive and see many questions about Meth resolution process I decided to show you an example with my own pics(not professional ones as you will see hahaha):

- 3.65L of "dirty" freebase(just separated and dried after hydrolysis process)
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- 5.11L of water
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- 2.55kg of L-tartaric acid(dextro-tartaric acid, d-tartaric acid)
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- Mix the L-tartaric with the water until all dissolved
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- Add the freebase to the mixture while vigorous stirring
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- After around 2 min stirring the mixture is hot and becomes thick and later a solid mass
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Now the process is practically finished just leave it at RT 24 hours and filter it with vacuum.
D-meth freebase will appears after after turning the liquid part alkaline(PH 13).

I hope this help you ;-)

btcboss2022Excuse me, liquid methamphetamine, do you not do distillation and split it directly? Will it affect the purity of the yield? For example, 10 grams after the same 15g distillation or 15 grams without distillation, which one will have a little more net weight? Can you answer it?

Hello,

After receive and see many questions about Meth resolution process I decided to show you an example with my own pics(not professional ones as you will see hahaha):

- 3.65L of "dirty" freebase(just separated and dried after hydrolysis process)
View attachment 20692

- 5.11L of water
View attachment 20693

- 2.55kg of L-tartaric acid(dextro-tartaric acid, d-tartaric acid)
View attachment 20694

- Mix the L-tartaric with the water until all dissolved
View attachment 20695

- Add the freebase to the mixture while vigorous stirring
View attachment 20696
View attachment 20697

- After around 2 min stirring the mixture is hot and becomes thick and later a solid mass
View attachment 20698

Now the process is practically finished just leave it at RT 24 hours and filter it with vacuum.
D-meth freebase will appears after after turning the liquid part alkaline(PH 13).

I hope this help you ;-)

Excuse me, liquid methamphetamine, do you not do distillation and split it directly? Will it affect the purity of the yield? For example, 10 grams after the same 15g distillation or 15 grams without distillation, which one will have a little more net weight? Can you answer it?

 

[btcboss2022]

Excuse me, liquid methamphetamine, do you not do distillation and split it directly? Will it affect the purity of the yield? For example, 10 grams after the same 15g distillation or 15 grams without distillation, which one will have a little more net weight? Can you answer it?

Excuse me, liquid methamphetamine, do you not do distillation and split it directly? Will it affect the purity of the yield? For example, 10 grams after the same 15g distillation or 15 grams without distillation, which one will have a little more net weight? Can you answer it?

花谢花开No I dont distill it I make an acid base washing using 2 different solvents in the acid stage.
Possibly it could affects yield but in my experience is a very small amount and the final stuff has the same purity and the same cleaning level.
Personally the effort of steam distillation is not a profitable task.
Thanks.

 

[花谢花开]

I Dont know what pickling means sorry.
PH for washing must be 2 in acid stage and 12-13 in alkali stage.

btcboss2022Let me ask you the last question. What kind of pickling do you use? Before splitting? Do you mean adding tartaric acid to split after pickling to ph2? Acid and acid react crystallization?

 

[Jordan Belfort]

No I dont distill it I make an acid base washing using 2 different solvents in the acid stage.
Possibly it could affects yield but in my experience is a very small amount and the final stuff has the same purity and the same cleaning level.
Personally the effort of steam distillation is not a profitable task.
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btcboss2022Mixture of Methanol and water correct ?

 

[btcboss2022]

Let me ask you the last question. What kind of pickling do you use? Before splitting? Do you mean adding tartaric acid to split after pickling to ph2? Acid and acid react crystallization?

花谢花开You are mixing all data
I use water but you can use methanol

 

[花谢花开]

No I dont distill it I make an acid base washing using 2 different solvents in the acid stage.
Possibly it could affects yield but in my experience is a very small amount and the final stuff has the same purity and the same cleaning level.
Personally the effort of steam distillation is not a profitable task.
Thanks. View attachment 24759 View attachment 24760 View attachment 24761

btcboss2022Is the master still there? I have completed the splitting of the L-isomer in the water in your way. In the powder, does this powder still need to be added with water to continue to split? It seems that the split is incomplete. How do you deal with it? What should I do if I continue to split?

 

[btcboss2022]

Is the master still there? I have completed the splitting of the L-isomer in the water in your way. In the powder, does this powder still need to be added with water to continue to split? It seems that the split is incomplete. How do you deal with it? What should I do if I continue to split?

花谢花开You must turn it in FB again and later you decide.
If you need a complete guidance I have this service offered in the forum.
Thanks

 

[Mr Good Cat]

@btcboss2022 a question, when you crystallize your d-meth in acetone, didn't you notice the powder you get is much much more fine than those from racemic?

 

[btcboss2022]

@btcboss2022 a question, when you crystallize your d-meth in acetone, didn't you notice the powder you get is much much more fine than those from racemic?

Mr Good CatI don't remember the last time that I crystallized racemic one sorry, possibly I did once long time ago I always crystallized D-meth and L-meth too sometimes.

 

[situ1984]

Hello,

After receive and see many questions about Meth resolution process I decided to show you an example with my own pics(not professional ones as you will see hahaha):

- 3.65L of "dirty" freebase(just separated and dried after hydrolysis process)
View attachment 20692

- 5.11L of water
View attachment 20693

- 2.55kg of L-tartaric acid(dextro-tartaric acid, d-tartaric acid)
View attachment 20694

- Mix the L-tartaric with the water until all dissolved
View attachment 20695

- Add the freebase to the mixture while vigorous stirring
View attachment 20696
View attachment 20697

- After around 2 min stirring the mixture is hot and becomes thick and later a solid mass
View attachment 20698

Now the process is practically finished just leave it at RT 24 hours and filter it with vacuum.
D-meth freebase will appears after after turning the liquid part alkaline(PH 13).

I hope this help you ;-)

btcboss2022Which L-tartaric acid (d-tartaric acid, d-tartaric acid) is used? Or use D? Or both?

 

[btcboss2022]

Which L-tartaric acid (d-tartaric acid, d-tartaric acid) is used? Or use D? Or both?

situ1984Why many people ask things that are detailed in the post?Is easier ask them than read them?
If you are interested on it dont be lazy to read all post carefully.
Is nothing personal is a general reflexion sorry and thanks.

 

[btc150000]

D-meth freebase will appears after after turning the liquid part alkaline(PH 13).

btcboss2022Hello sir, does the final filtered solution need to be adjusted to PH-13 by adding sodium hydroxide solution to obtain methyl free base?

 

[btcboss2022]

Hello sir, does the final filtered solution need to be adjusted to PH-13 by adding sodium hydroxide solution to obtain methyl free base?

btc150000Yes ph12-13

 

[btc150000]

Yes ph12-13

btcboss2022Thank you very much for your answer. After obtaining the methyl free base, is additional drying required before crystallization?

 

[btcboss2022]

Thank you very much for your answer. After obtaining the methyl free base, is additional drying required before crystallization?

btc150000Yes mainly to know the exact amount of FB to calculate the ratios of crystallization.

 

[btc150000]

Yes mainly to know the exact amount of FB to calculate the ratios of crystallization.

btcboss2022Sorry sir, last question, what do you use to dry the methyl free base here, tartaric acid/700g. Base/1000g. Water/1400ml. How much dry matter should I add?

 

[qwe111]

Dear Mr.
Use L tartaric acid to separate the free base according to your method.
I got a chewing gum-like substance while stirring, and once I stopped stirring everything turned into a very hard white solid. A whole piece.
Is this correct?

 

[btcboss2022]

Dear Mr.
Use L tartaric acid to separate the free base according to your method.
I got a chewing gum-like substance while stirring, and once I stopped stirring everything turned into a very hard white solid. A whole piece.
Is this correct?

qwe111Yes

 

[qwe111]

Yes

btcboss2022sorry sir.
I'm a beginner. I followed your lead on the forum and synthesized.
From 5449~p2p I use the phosphoric acid method you shared. It worked the first time. Got a nice looking orange p2p.
From p2p ~ methamphetamine free base I used the sodium borohydride synthesis method you shared. It failed 2 times before. Later I got a light yellow oil. I don't know if he was methamphetamine freebase.
I followed exactly the method you shared.
Yesterday I used this oil. Follow the L tartaric acid separation you shared.

More than ten hours have passed now. It's very hard. Like ice cream in the freezer. There is no liquid present.

I'm very confused and worried right now.

Will it turn liquid after 24 hours?

 

[qwe111]

Yes

btcboss2022The yield of free base from p2p~ was very low, 60 grams of oil was obtained from 100 grams of p2p. I don't know if it's because p2p is impure or why.
I don't have any basic knowledge of chemistry. It has been more than 2 months since I learned synthesis.
So far nothing has been found.
I'm so confused

 

[btcboss2022]

sorry sir.
I'm a beginner. I followed your lead on the forum and synthesized.
From 5449~p2p I use the phosphoric acid method you shared. It worked the first time. Got a nice looking orange p2p.
From p2p ~ methamphetamine free base I used the sodium borohydride synthesis method you shared. It failed 2 times before. Later I got a light yellow oil. I don't know if he was methamphetamine freebase.
I followed exactly the method you shared.
Yesterday I used this oil. Follow the L tartaric acid separation you shared.

More than ten hours have passed now. It's very hard. Like ice cream in the freezer. There is no liquid present.

I'm very confused and worried right now.

Will it turn liquid after 24 hours?

qwe111It won't turn liquid the liquid is mixed with the hard solid you must crush it to vacuum filtration and get the liquid.
About freebase yield from p2p is ok if not steam distilled p2p used.

 

[qwe111]

It won't turn liquid the liquid is mixed with the hard solid you must crush it to vacuum filtration and get the liquid.
About freebase yield from p2p is ok if not steam distilled p2p used.

btcboss2022Dear Mr.

I used L tartaric acid to separate the free base. Vacuum gives liquid. Alkaline PH-13. Free base is obtained.

Stir the free base. Join HCI. PH value -2. I wanted to adjust the pH to -3. But the pH suddenly dropped. I'm careful to add very little HCI. The pH value has always been around 7 in the beginning. Then suddenly it drops to -2.

Heat to 130°. Pour into a container with 10 volumes of chilled isopropyl alcohol. A lot of powder immediately appeared in the container. Shouldn't we get crystals?

What did I do wrong?

Sir, please help me.