"MY" MDMA freebase crystallization

[btcboss2022]

Very cool!

It seems like they're adding directly to the freebase with no solvent which worries me lol

GaleOf course you can mix the freebase with solvent before adding the HCL but later you Will need more time to put the mixture at 130C due this solvent will be evaporated, with the HCL from freezer, the freebase cold too and avoiding high temperatures during the addition wont be any problem ;-)

 

[Hank Schrader]

Of course you can mix the freebase with solvent before adding the HCL but later you Will need more time to put the mixture at 130C due this solvent will be evaporated, with the HCL from freezer, the freebase cold too and avoiding high temperatures during the addition wont be any problem ;-)

btcboss2022Do you know that MDMA cannot be heated with acids to high temperatures? The product breaks down and is no longer pure MDMA.

 

[Mr Good Cat]

In that case is a German company but there is many of them Energy control...

btcboss2022Oh, no, bro, not to energy control, please. You remember i shared with you test result 87%? I did a few tests more.
87% not again, but always))))))

Most fun explanation: error margin 5-10%.

 

[Chem-Safe]

Oh, no, bro, not to energy control, please. You remember i shared with you test result 87%? I did a few tests more.
87% not again, but always))))))

Most fun explanation: error margin 5-10%.

Mr Good CatPerson, but we didn't tell you that, we told you that first of all, there is human error in every analysis service that people work, to begin with. Then, we answered your question, about how likely this was to happen, AND we answered the following:
Note that the probability of obtaining the same result in a sample varies according to the distribution of the data. The closer your result is to the mean, the more likely it is that the result can be repeated. Given that you have a distribution of percentages with a mean of 82% and a standard deviation of 13.84%, you can analyze what range of values would be more likely when obtaining two samples with the same percentage. Therefore, if two samples are analyzed, the range of numbers where it is most likely to obtain the same percentage is around the mean of 82%, extending approximately one standard deviation to either side (68.16% to 95.84%). This would be the most likely range to obtain the same result in two consecutive samples due to the concentration of data around the mean.
In other words, it is not a questionable result, it is probable.
We even provide you with the graph where the highest number of MDMA results are concentrated. Really, did u only understand about 5-10%? We can explain it better.

 

[Mr Good Cat]

Person, but we didn't tell you that, we told you that first of all, there is human error in every analysis service that people work, to begin with. Then, we answered your question, about how likely this was to happen, AND we answered the following:
Note that the probability of obtaining the same result in a sample varies according to the distribution of the data. The closer your result is to the mean, the more likely it is that the result can be repeated. Given that you have a distribution of percentages with a mean of 82% and a standard deviation of 13.84%, you can analyze what range of values would be more likely when obtaining two samples with the same percentage. Therefore, if two samples are analyzed, the range of numbers where it is most likely to obtain the same percentage is around the mean of 82%, extending approximately one standard deviation to either side (68.16% to 95.84%). This would be the most likely range to obtain the same result in two consecutive samples due to the concentration of data around the mean.
In other words, it is not a questionable result, it is probable.
We even provide you with the graph where the highest number of MDMA results are concentrated. Really, did u only understand about 5-10%? We can explain it better.
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Chem-SafeBro, it looks you worry about 120 EUR for your fake tests too much. Relax, bro. It is the only of your incoming? I can hire you as a drop maker if so: send me PM, I will find a job for you.

 

[Mr Good Cat]

Person, but we didn't tell you that, we told you that first of all, there is human error in every analysis service that people work, to begin with. Then, we answered your question, about how likely this was to happen, AND we answered the following:
Note that the probability of obtaining the same result in a sample varies according to the distribution of the data. The closer your result is to the mean, the more likely it is that the result can be repeated. Given that you have a distribution of percentages with a mean of 82% and a standard deviation of 13.84%, you can analyze what range of values would be more likely when obtaining two samples with the same percentage. Therefore, if two samples are analyzed, the range of numbers where it is most likely to obtain the same percentage is around the mean of 82%, extending approximately one standard deviation to either side (68.16% to 95.84%). This would be the most likely range to obtain the same result in two consecutive samples due to the concentration of data around the mean.
In other words, it is not a questionable result, it is probable.
We even provide you with the graph where the highest number of MDMA results are concentrated. Really, did u only understand about 5-10%? We can explain it better.
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Chem-Safe

We even provide you with the graph where the highest number of MDMA results are concentrated. Really, did u only understand about 5-10%? We can explain it better.

Bro, relax. Do you think I'm a schoolboy junky cooking meth for living source? I was graduated in math, not in meth. So, why you believe you can impress me with your graph?

 

[Chem-Safe]

fake tests

 

[Chem-Safe]

So, why you believe you can impress me with your graph?

 

[btcboss2022]

I read a lot of different threads and posts asking and talking about MDMA freebase crystallization methods.
I guess many of them are tested and other ones are only taken from litherature.
I tested some of them and as always I post the most effective in my case and for what I need that dont means that is the BEST method only means that is the BEST one for ME.
Normally I dont like to post detailed methods as this one Im very cautios with them because people used to understand that Im posting the BEST and unique method with all the collateral consequencies that It has, I prefer to post complete and concrete synth not General methods.

Anyway here It is:

1. Add portionwise cold HCL37% to the MDMA freebase(previously cooled too) while stirring until PH 3.

2. Heat the mixture gradually while stirring until 130C

3.Has ready a bucket, with 10 times the volume of initial freebase, of freezed acetone that has been at least 48 hours in freezer

4. When mixture is at 130C stop heating and pour It fast in the acetone bucket with vigorously stirring.

5. Leave the bucket in the Freezer at least 72 hours.

6. Take out the bucket and Filter solids with vacuum until It get dry, at the final part of that process pour a small amount freezed acetone over the solids to wash them before totally dry. The filtered acetone is keep It in the Freezer to try to crystallize more material if nothing else crystallized you can let the acetone dry at RT in a flat plate or similar to recover material or freebase

7. Once is completely dried Crush it and convert all into powder.

8. Solve the powder in distilled hot water(1gr/1ml).

9. When all the powder is solved Heat the mixture until 112C with some stirring and throw It fast into the cristallization bucket choosen.

10. Leave the bucket in a "calm" place, no Air flow, no movements, vibrations... At least 48 hours at RT after 48 hours put It 30 min in the Freezer before Filter It.

11. Filter the crystals and wash them with freezed acetone, the filtered liquid is saved to add It in the step 9 in the Next batch.

I Hope this method could solve most of crystallization issues that you could and the questions sent too.

I would like to clarify again that is not the BEST method or the unique one, Its just one more there are a lot of methods and techniques Im just posting the more appropiate for me, for my case and for my circumstances.

Thanks.

btcboss2022Another important point is a well known basic technique that is reducing the temp as slow as possible the theoretically best timing is 1C every 30min honestly I never did this timing and I don't think I will never do it hahah could be a nightmare ;-) In small scale could be done with a programmable hotplate.

 

[Mr Good Cat]

Another important point is a well known basic technique that is reducing the temp as slow as possible the theoretically best timing is 1C every 30min honestly I never did this timing and I don't think I will never do it hahah could be a nightmare ;-) In small scale could be done with a programmable hotplate.

btcboss2022I tried to repeat this procedure with slow temp reducing. And I'm 100% sure - hotplate doesn't work.
Look, there is a hot surface of the plate on the bottom, and cold air on the top. It means, nucleation doesn't start at the bottom - bottom is more hot, so no chance.
As the result, thin crystal layer is formed fast on the top, and it locks the water inside the solution. Water is not evaporate anymore.
You may reduce T of hotplate down to RT it will not help.. The gel inside is locked. Crystallization stopped.
Then if finally crystal layer on the top is broken, it falls down, and crystallization runs fast and immediately. This means you will not get big crystals.
I tried to cover crystallizer with a kind of cap to reduce air access and keep upper layer warmer, but it doesn't help.

I guess, to achieve big crystals, you need to manage the process of crystallization by some way, to start nucleation on the bottom. And to do this, you need a kind of drying box with adjustable T and heating source MUST BE ON THE TOP!!!

In that case, there is a chance nucleation will start on the bottom.

I guess, a kitchen oven could be fine if temperature is adjustable precisely. But I don't have such one.

 

[btcboss2022]

I tried to repeat this procedure with slow temp reducing. And I'm 100% sure - hotplate doesn't work.
Look, there is a hot surface of the plate on the bottom, and cold air on the top. It means, nucleation doesn't start at the bottom - bottom is more hot, so no chance.
As the result, thin crystal layer is formed fast on the top, and it locks the water inside the solution. Water is not evaporate anymore.
You may reduce T of hotplate down to RT it will not help.. The gel inside is locked. Crystallization stopped.
Then if finally crystal layer on the top is broken, it falls down, and crystallization runs fast and immediately. This means you will not get big crystals.
I tried to cover crystallizer with a kind of cap to reduce air access and keep upper layer warmer, but it doesn't help.

I guess, to achieve big crystals, you need to manage the process of crystallization by some way, to start nucleation on the bottom. And to do this, you need a kind of drying box with adjustable T and heating source MUST BE ON THE TOP!!!

In that case, there is a chance nucleation will start on the bottom.

I guess, a kitchen oven could be fine if temperature is adjustable precisely. But I don't have such one.

Mr Good CatDid you stirred continously during the process?

 

[Mr Good Cat]

Did you stirred continously during the process?

btcboss2022I don't understand your question.
If during heating, of course - yes.
If during crystallization - is it a joke?

 

[Mr Good Cat]

Did you stirred continously during the process?

btcboss2022This is intermediate part of this process. Later all watery layer on the bottom turns to a kind of "porridge". Wasting of time. Also such long exposure at high T evaporates some stuff. I lost around 20 gr of 250 gr pure powder.

I have some other ideas. Will try as I get inspiration.

 

[btcboss2022]

This is intermediate part of this process. Later all watery layer on the bottom turns to a kind of "porridge". Wasting of time. Also such long exposure at high T evaporates some stuff. I lost around 20 gr of 250 gr pure powder.

I have some other ideas. Will try as I get inspiration.

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Mr Good CatI will reply tomorrow with the details of what to do but the method works properlt anyway if you want to find inspiration is ok sure will be interesting to improve.
To tired today sorry.

 

[btcboss2022]

Another important point is a well known basic technique that is reducing the temp as slow as possible the theoretically best timing is 1C every 30min honestly I never did this timing and I don't think I will never do it hahah could be a nightmare ;-) In small scale could be done with a programmable hotplate.

btcboss2022That tip is after arriving to 108C during stirring.

 

[jamesdavies]

Its not for big crystals but the part for cleaning . I am referring to the the point where I heat the super saturated solution of acidified freebase and pour it into acetone. Can I change acetone for alcohol.
Acetone is highly watched in my country since 10days ago/

 

[Mr Good Cat]

Its not for big crystals but the part for cleaning . I am referring to the the point where I heat the super saturated solution of acidified freebase and pour it into acetone. Can I change acetone for alcohol.
Acetone is highly watched in my country since 10days ago/

jamesdaviesAh, sorry, got your problem. A bit of theory if so, bro.

Acetone has a unique property: it solves a lot of mdma hcl at 50C (1 gr of mdma hcl per 2.5 gr of acetone i guess) and almost zero if acetone is frozen. This property is related with "vacuum permittivity". Vacuum permittivity of acetone at 50C = 17.7 and at 0C = 1.0

So you need to find a solvent with similar vacuum permittivity, not more than 2.0. It is benzene, petroleum ether, hexane.

I don't think IPA is good for this purpose, as it solves a lot of mdma hcl even in the freezer, around 30%. And even if you evaporate it the leftovers will be more dirty than they were at the beginning.

 

[jamesdavies]

Anyone know why crystals melt at like 40-50 degrees when crystallised from water? They turn to yellow oil, is there to much HCl or water trapped inside the crystal

 

[Mr Good Cat]

Anyone know why crystals melt at like 40-50 degrees when crystallised from water? They turn to yellow oil, is there to much HCl or water trapped inside the crystal

jamesdaviesWater inside i guess. Solubility grows noticably at 40-50C.
It looks you got the result, similar with crystals I got here. Some crystals are normal (but small), some crystals (from inner layer) are "watery crystals".

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/my-mdma-freebase-crystallization.5069/post-45465

Why do you ask about HCL didn't you wash your powder before recrystallization in water?

 

[jamesdavies]

My fb is distilled . I acidified with hcl and left for two days but crystals seem to be melting when on top of a radiator , I think water is trapped inside

 

[Mr Good Cat]

My fb is distilled . I acidified with hcl and left for two days but crystals seem to be melting when on top of a radiator , I think water is trapped inside

jamesdaviesYou can check PH of this "oil" at any time. But i think it is water: two layers formed, one on the top, another one on the bottom. Water somewhere at the middle.

 

[Mr Good Cat]

Many thanks our dearest @btcboss2022! You inspired me for more research to cook a perfect crystal to please my own tolerance by microdosing.

 

[Mr Good Cat]

@btcboss2022 as i remember i wrote something wrong about your product long time ago, Sorry for that, considering new experience i can say, we must be able to admit mistakes. Sorry brother, I was wrong: black color makes confused, but your product is perfect!

 

[btcboss2022]

@btcboss2022 as i remember i wrote something wrong about your product long time ago, Sorry for that, considering new experience i can say, we must be able to admit mistakes. Sorry brother, I was wrong: black color makes confused, but your product is perfect!

Mr Good CatThanks grateful to have the possitive comments too after all work behind.

 

[alquimista00]

@btcboss2022 as i remember i wrote something wrong about your product long time ago, Sorry for that, considering new experience i can say, we must be able to admit mistakes. Sorry brother, I was wrong: black color makes confused, but your product is perfect!

Mr Good CatIs there a way to purify black crystal and turn them into completely clean crystal?

 

[Mr Good Cat]

Is there a way to purify black crystal and turn them into completely clean crystal?

alquimista00Everything is possible. It is matter of time, solvents and how dirty is your product at the beginning.