My new amphetamine sulphate route (made from shitty diluted base by peaks)

[G.Patton]

>>1. Titration
>>A small sample of base taken and and titration done. Result 50%. Not 52%, not 48%. It is precisely 50%, probably done by design, targeting this percentage.

Hello, Mr. president @Robert Fico . Can you describe how did you carried out titration procedure. I'm interesting in your method.

 

[Robert Fico]

OMG, general! You are an expert. Shall I teach you how to run titration? I learned this thing in my high school.

 

[Robert Fico]

I didn't. The deal was closed automatically, so the system gave you 5 starts. My estim is 1 only.

 

[G.Patton]

>>1.5L of EtOH added to the base 68g of MgSO4 added to the base and moved to the freezer.
By the way, did you know that amines reacts with Mg2+ salts? It's worth to use Na2SO4 in such cases.

>>H2SO4 90% added dropwise accordingly to the previous calculations. Ph checked at the end and shows all calculations and estimations are correct.
what pH did you reach at this step?

 

[Robert Fico]

>> By the way, did you know that amines reacts with Mg2+ salts? It's worth to use Na2SO4 in such cases.

Haven't heard about reaction amines with Mg, but probably you are right. I don't like MgSO4 indeed, but for another reason. I try to avoid it. Haven't used since a couple of years, but haven't got another drying agent this time, so I used this shit. Na2SO4 anhydrous is the best.

>> what pH did you reach at this step?
4, i always finish at 4.

 

[G.Patton]

pH 4 is too low. Some product can dissolve in too acid solution. You have to adjust pH 5.5-6.6.

 

[Robert Fico]

I have heard about this property of excess of acid to dissolve salts, but don't remember when I faced this problem in my work. I always check liquid layer leftovers with NaOH to pH=11 then with acid back to pH=4. Normally I have there not more than 1-2%, i.e. I take liquid leftovers from 50g of base, adjust ph with NaOH to 11, then turn it back to ph=4 carefully. Normally it doesn't exceed 0.7-1.5g of 20% HCl.

If you use a dibasic acid, sulphuric for ex, it is very hard to avoid bisulphate formation. Even for me it is very hard even if I do it very very slowly. You need very powerful stirrer and solvents may be 1:20 to get a perfect result.

That's why I prefer to finish with pH=4. In this case low pH points on some small quantity of bisulphate. It is better than get unreacted base.

 

[peaks]

Just to be clear: I'm not a scammer! I'm a trader who buys and sells oil. I don't understand the technical side of things, let me be clear. My method of working and checking is as follows: I whisk 100 ml of oil into a paste and let it dry. On average, I keep 75 to 80% of each batch, and all my customers are okay with that. I've handled many different oils from different manufacturers, and they're all practically the same. I've never found a difference of more than 5%.

 

[Robert Fico]

The seller selling a product with purity less than 50% and without any responsibility is not a legit seller. It is a scam deal, bro.

 

[G.Patton]

I want to summarize facts from this topic of @Robert Fico as I see them:
- There is no detailed data about quantitative experiment with amphetamine. I mean calculations.
- No any pictures with proves.
- There is the data about density for the 1L of product 945g, which looks like pretty pure amphetamine. [pure amphetamine has 936g/L]

I don't want to protect @peaks but your post has the messy explanation and you didn't answer my direct questions or answer rudely (Idk why). HCl titration is not representative method to prove an amount of amphetamine in the mixture. The best option is GC-MS analysis report.

You can carry out titration by NaNO2 and HCl to prove your words and represent here your results with some pictures and calculations to discuss them here.

At the same time, I would like to ask @peaks to show here some proves about your amphetamine oil quality in order to protect your reputation. Like its GC-MS analysis report or TLC analysis or density test or titration test.

 

[Robert Fico]

Come on, General. HCl is HCl. It may react with many substances: base, DMSO etc.
If 0.37 moles of "base" taken and only 0.18 moles of HCl consumed to reach acidic pH, it means there was nothing else in the "base" to reactapart from 0.18 moles. But, we all remember important fact, apart from base there could be other side compounds. So, actually, base itself was less in the sample than 0.18 moles. 0.18 moles is a top limit. I hope, this is a pretty clear fact for you, not necessary to argue about it?

I also need to say, when I was checking water leftovers with NaOH, I found some extra quantity of amphetamine in unknown salt form. That makes me thinking, this amphetamine came in salted form, then was not completely turned to the base, then diluted, then sold.

At the beginning, I was not interested to discuss this base quality, not at all. I started this topic as a kind of "notes" that might be useful for other readers. Later, finding other substances as DMSO ets, I added other facts about it.

And, by the way, this over-acidation as a route to remove DMSO leftovers is a good idea that i found by occasion.

Obviously, this bottle is done many days ago, so there is no way to send it to the lab. But you can make a purchase by yourself anonymously, then you can tell me if I am a liar or not.

 

[GhostChemist]

I completely agree with @G.Patton
But to provide an accurate volumetric or gravimetric analysis, appropriate precision equipment is necessary.
Theoretical and practical knowledge of analytical chemistry is also important!

 

[Robert Fico]

If we are talking about analytical chemistry, yes. By somehow I even remember how to calculate the error margin based on "precision rank" of tools and devices, and how each math opertaion as addition or multiplication affects the result. It was a part of my course.

But we are not talking about such precise calculations.

If the result shown with this simple test and my shittest basic equipment is 0.18 moles against 0.37, even with error margin 5% (that is too high indeed) this base can not be even 70%. I hope it is also not a point to argue?

 

[heilspack]

Dude just buy from us we have oil with crazy ph and weight listing will come on bazaar soon

 

[peaks]

Dear friends, you also don't get the point. A pH of 12.9 and a weight of 980 grams doesn't mean pure oil! As the expert mentioned above, pure oil has a lower pH and weighs 936 grams.

 

[heilspack]

Dude, if u want i send u oil on weight picture from the fabrik in NL im tommorow there i work 20 years with oil never saw a weight of 936 g always 960 - 980 when u get from the fabrik

If u go to NL buy batches from street boys that invest 15 - 30 L in oil i talk about these stupid moroccan / turkish wannabe hustlers then u get 940 g its always like that

Of course they say its pure at 936 gr because its not alot mixed its like u have a brick of cocaine with 88% purity then we call it also pure

But i dont wanna talk alot no more

Ps for the people take a lighter put the oil in a cap of the bottle and just fire it up then u get your answer why its 940 g or 880g

Real shit oil produce 2,8 kg with 2 L M if u know u know

Peace out
HP

 

[peaks]

My friend 99% of my oil do that what you tell hir. ✌

 

[Robert Fico]

Higher pH comes from impurities, this is true. But, these impurities are based on NaOH. That's why pH is high. There is some water with NaOH inside. Methanol and oil are is not mixable with NaOH. That's why lower pH may point on methanol inside.

And, as I have already said, I believe this oil was formed some unknown salt. So, I would strongly suggest to add more NaOH to reach pH=11 before further processing.

 

[micheldctor]

Les aseguro que hice analizar el producto en Energy Control para detectar el sulfato que preparé con ese aceite de pico y me dio una pureza de 91 sin haberlo limpiado. Lo envié tal como preparé la pasta, así que las impurezas serán mías.

 

[peaks]

Gracias amigo

 

[G.Patton]

Hello, please, translate in English in the common section.