My new amphetamine sulphate route (made from shitty diluted base by peaks)

[G.Patton]

>>1. Titration
>>A small sample of base taken and and titration done. Result 50%. Not 52%, not 48%. It is precisely 50%, probably done by design, targeting this percentage.

Hello, Mr. president @Robert Fico . Can you describe how did you carried out titration procedure. I'm interesting in your method.

 

[Robert Fico]

OMG, general! You are an expert. Shall I teach you how to run titration? I learned this thing in my high school.

 

[Robert Fico]

You are right, General! There could be even less base than 50%, but my computer counted median value as 50.
Tell me what is this excess of HCl in mg per 100 ml of solution, even if ionic (salting) profile is counted? I would say that this value is negligible, especially if we take on account percentage gap for the dry NaOH. There is always at least 2% gap, but it matters for HPLC. It doesn't matter if I need to find out percentage of base with error gap 2%.

BTW, General, tell me how you remove these solvents, what is an easiest way apart from Chloroform?

 

[G.Patton]

>>>Tell me what is this excess of HCl in mg per 100 ml of solution, even if ionic (salting) profile is counted?
What???

>>>BTW, General, tell me how you remove these solvents, what is an easiest way apart from Chloroform?
You can use non-polar solvent as DCM or hexane, which are dissolving amph base whereas not dissolving DMF and DMSO.

 

[Robert Fico]

Wrong. DCM doesn't work at all. If you try to extract base from DMSO, these solvents will go together with base. It is a miracle for me, but it is true. Try to do you and check all the weights on each step, and you will see I'm right.
C6 works better, but it is very slow and it takes a special care to control the process. Manual process.
This fucking solvent is very hard to remove. I even found it in pretty noticeable QNT when was re-crystallizing meth. In the fucking meth ice I got this substance. It means, it is even built in crystal.

 

[Robert Fico]

I broke my brain trying to understand why I get around 10-15% less dry amph that it must be accordingly consumed acid if there is not more than 1-2% in the liquid leftovers. Sulphate shall not be azeotropic with ethanol. Not a bit.

I got an insight a couple of days ago: DMSO reacts with strong acids. That's why! If T is high, then this reaction runs very fast, but even if T is about 20-30C it is noticeable.

So when I do titration or add H2SO4 some part of acid reacts with this shit.

Apparently purity of this oil doesn't exceed 40%. @peaks you are a scammer.

 

[peaks]

You give me 5 star on bz and now i am a scammer????

 

[peaks]

Wow what the fuck is happening her....

 

[G.Patton]

>>1.5L of EtOH added to the base 68g of MgSO4 added to the base and moved to the freezer.
By the way, did you know that amines reacts with Mg2+ salts? It's worth to use Na2SO4 in such cases.

>>H2SO4 90% added dropwise accordingly to the previous calculations. Ph checked at the end and shows all calculations and estimations are correct.
what pH did you reach at this step?

 

[Robert Fico]

>> By the way, did you know that amines reacts with Mg2+ salts? It's worth to use Na2SO4 in such cases.

Haven't heard about reaction amines with Mg, but probably you are right. I don't like MgSO4 indeed, but for another reason. I try to avoid it. Haven't used since a couple of years, but haven't got another drying agent this time, so I used this shit. Na2SO4 anhydrous is the best.

>> what pH did you reach at this step?
4, i always finish at 4.

 

[G.Patton]

pH 4 is too low. Some product can dissolve in too acid solution. You have to adjust pH 5.5-6.6.

 

[Robert Fico]

I have heard about this property of excess of acid to dissolve salts, but don't remember when I faced this problem in my work. I always check liquid layer leftovers with NaOH to pH=11 then with acid back to pH=4. Normally I have there not more than 1-2%, i.e. I take liquid leftovers from 50g of base, adjust ph with NaOH to 11, then turn it back to ph=4 carefully. Normally it doesn't exceed 0.7-1.5g of 20% HCl.

If you use a dibasic acid, sulphuric for ex, it is very hard to avoid bisulphate formation. Even for me it is very hard even if I do it very very slowly. You need very powerful stirrer and solvents may be 1:20 to get a perfect result.

That's why I prefer to finish with pH=4. In this case low pH points on some small quantity of bisulphate. It is better than get unreacted base.

 

[peaks]

Just to be clear: I'm not a scammer! I'm a trader who buys and sells oil. I don't understand the technical side of things, let me be clear. My method of working and checking is as follows: I whisk 100 ml of oil into a paste and let it dry. On average, I keep 75 to 80% of each batch, and all my customers are okay with that. I've handled many different oils from different manufacturers, and they're all practically the same. I've never found a difference of more than 5%.

 

[Robert Fico]

The seller selling a product with purity less than 50% and without any responsibility is not a legit seller. It is a scam deal, bro.

 

[Nmakc]

hi i want to say something about this seller @peaks , who send me some brown waxy powder poison instead of amphetamine be careful , my friend ended in hospital because of this scammer
0 positive effect
only side effects with abnormal hypertension

 

[peaks]

Seriously, I sent this guy 50 grams of it free on credit to Macedonia, and now he saying this. It's getting ridiculous. I almost think people are jealous of my sales here.

 

[peaks]

You claim I didn't send you real ampetamine, but fat burners or caffeine, and now you claim your friend ended up in the hospital because of it. Could you show me any proof other than me yelling at you for talking nonsense?

 

[Nmakc]

100%

 

[Nmakc]

yes i strongly claim that u didnt send real amphetamine

 

[Nmakc]

0 positive effects , u feel only side effects

 

[G.Patton]

I want to summarize facts from this topic of @Robert Fico as I see them:
- There is no detailed data about quantitative experiment with amphetamine. I mean calculations.
- No any pictures with proves.
- There is the data about density for the 1L of product 945g, which looks like pretty pure amphetamine. [pure amphetamine has 936g/L]

I don't want to protect @peaks but your post has the messy explanation and you didn't answer my direct questions or answer rudely (Idk why). HCl titration is not representative method to prove an amount of amphetamine in the mixture. The best option is GC-MS analysis report.

You can carry out titration by NaNO2 and HCl to prove your words and represent here your results with some pictures and calculations to discuss them here.

At the same time, I would like to ask @peaks to show here some proves about your amphetamine oil quality in order to protect your reputation. Like its GC-MS analysis report or TLC analysis or density test or titration test.

 

[peaks]

As I mentioned, I have absolutely no technical knowledge. I also don't have the materials. I buy from local farmers, and according to my knowledge, that's always fine. I test using the method I mentioned earlier, and my knowledge doesn't go beyond that. I'm willing to send you a test so you can check it yourself. If I'm to believe the technical explanation, 100 ml produces 125 grams of dry powder. Well, I'll be happy if I get 80, and I tell everyone that. I'm dependent on the farmers, and unfortunately, they're not as educated as you! I'm a businessman, not a scammer, and hopefully, that's clear after all the deals here and at the bazaar.

 

[G.Patton]

You can send there in the lab and test it at least once. It will gain your reliability as a vendor. https://energycontrol-international.org/drug-testing-service/
Or any other.

 

[GhostChemist]

I completely agree with @G.Patton
But to provide an accurate volumetric or gravimetric analysis, appropriate precision equipment is necessary.
Theoretical and practical knowledge of analytical chemistry is also important!

 

[Robert Fico]

If we are talking about analytical chemistry, yes. By somehow I even remember how to calculate the error margin based on "precision rank" of tools and devices, and how each math opertaion as addition or multiplication affects the result. It was a part of my course.

But we are not talking about such precise calculations.

If the result shown with this simple test and my shittest basic equipment is 0.18 moles against 0.37, even with error margin 5% (that is too high indeed) this base can not be even 70%. I hope it is also not a point to argue?

 

[Robert Fico]

Come on, General. HCl is HCl. It may react with many substances: base, DMSO etc.
If 0.37 moles of "base" taken and only 0.18 moles of HCl consumed to reach acidic pH, it means there was nothing else in the "base" to reactapart from 0.18 moles. But, we all remember important fact, apart from base there could be other side compounds. So, actually, base itself was less in the sample than 0.18 moles. 0.18 moles is a top limit. I hope, this is a pretty clear fact for you, not necessary to argue about it?

I also need to say, when I was checking water leftovers with NaOH, I found some extra quantity of amphetamine in unknown salt form. That makes me thinking, this amphetamine came in salted form, then was not completely turned to the base, then diluted, then sold.

At the beginning, I was not interested to discuss this base quality, not at all. I started this topic as a kind of "notes" that might be useful for other readers. Later, finding other substances as DMSO ets, I added other facts about it.

And, by the way, this over-acidation as a route to remove DMSO leftovers is a good idea that i found by occasion.

Obviously, this bottle is done many days ago, so there is no way to send it to the lab. But you can make a purchase by yourself anonymously, then you can tell me if I am a liar or not.

 

[Manofculture]

945 g base oil wow thats atleast 200 ML methanol mixed in it what a scumbag

 

[peaks]

If you're making this statement based on weight, I think you know just as much about oil as 99% of customers and I do. That's precisely the point. The point is that there are impurities in it. No reacted oil in the cooking process, etc., which is why I really want to believe this professor! The people who make it are, of course, uneducated and usually happy to know what 1+1 is. Let's be honest. Although I don't find this offensive at all, I'm trying to learn from this so I can test even better in the future and provide my customers with even better oil. It turns out everyone is satisfied with it, as customers still claim daily good reviews and 5 stars. Research shows that the oil can be produced even better than this batch was. Perhaps it was an accident, or perhaps all batches are like this, only time will tell. I understand your point, because that's how I always check first, and 99% of what arrives weighs above 970 with a pH of +12, but it's become clear that this can be a serious pitfall. As you read above, pure oil weighs only 936 , which I doubt anyone here has ever handled. If we see 936 of oil, we expect at least 300 ml of methanol. This turns out to be completely untrue.