Need help with Pmk ethyl glycidate to MDMA synthesis

[Love4mdma]

Hi there everybody

Now that sas oil is more difficult to get your hands on, pmk the next best thing.

Curious to know if anybody has a synthesis they have been working with for cas: 28578-16-7

I was able to convert this wax to the oil form which yielded 90% by using hcl, acid 37% and distilled water spinning for 3 hours. however I am unable to proceed further as I only have a synthesis from sas to mdma

It would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Love4mdma

 

[Jack]

Sci-Hub | Methyl 3-[3′,4′-(methylenedioxy)phenyl]-2-methyl glycidate: An Ecstasy Precursor Seized in Sydney, Australia | 10.1111/j.1556-4029.2007.00480.x

https://chemforum.info/index.php?th...piperonal-glycide-ester-route-small-scale.24/

 

[Honolulu98]

I write a pm!

 

[HEISENBERG]

I write a pm!

Honolulu98It would be better if all consultations were held publicly, it would be useful to those who are looking for similar information

 

[WillD]

Hi there everybody

Now that sas oil is more difficult to get your hands on, pmk the next best thing.

Curious to know if anybody has a synthesis they have been working with for cas: 28578-16-7

I was able to convert this wax to the oil form which yielded 90% by using hcl, acid 37% and distilled water spinning for 3 hours. however I am unable to proceed further as I only have a synthesis from sas to mdma

It would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Love4mdma

Love4mdmaCan you show the photos of PMK glycidate and the resulting oil? And what reagents u have?

 

[Love4mdma]

I won't be posting photos directly from my devices however I will send you something close or exactly.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.OEw3JltVrzMX

Lq77nwtCwHaFx%26pid%3DApi&f=1

this is what the pmk glycidate looks like if broken up but it's basically in a yellow or dark yellow light brown waxy feeling form, hardened and shaped in the container it's delivered in.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pmk+glycidate+oil&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https://rjrorwxhjkjmlo5p-static.micyjz.com/cloud/llBpkKiillSRpirjqmjjio/weixintupian_20210707115126.jpg

The oil color will look exactly like this. Dark but bright brown. Watery oily consistency.

I did not order from these companies
just using as a photo reference.

hcl and distilled water ethanol are re agents DCM is used as a solvent

 

[WillD]

I won't be posting photos directly from my devices however I will send you something close or exactly.

Love4mdmaphoto of substances, not devices. U can send

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.OEw3JltVrzMX

Lq77nwtCwHaFx%26pid%3DApi&f=1

this is what the pmk glycidate looks like if broken up but it's basically in a yellow or dark yellow light brown waxy feeling form, hardened and shaped in the container it's delivered in.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pmk+glycidate+oil&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https://rjrorwxhjkjmlo5p-static.micyjz.com/cloud/llBpkKiillSRpirjqmjjio/weixintupian_20210707115126.jpg

Photo on the Internet and so known. We disassemble your synthesis, and whose one. U can send photo in PM...https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pmk+glyci...lSRpirjqmjjio/weixintupian_20210707115126.jpg

The oil color will look exactly like this. Dark but bright brown. Watery oily consistency.

I did not order from these companies
just using as a photo reference.

hcl and distilled water ethanol are re agents DCM is used as a solvent

Why do u need ethanol and DCM?

 

[Woowoo21]

Hello everyone, recently got the ethyl Pmk-glycidate and im stuck there, I don’t get anything out of it, any idea to how to convert that ?

 

[WillD]

Hello everyone, recently got the ethyl Pmk-glycidate and im stuck there, I don’t get anything out of it, any idea to how to convert that ?

Woowoo21u have HCl aq. acid? flask and hot plate, beakers and syringe what you need at a minimum.

 

[Woowoo21]

thank you for answering. I could figure out how to turn it into oil, but I’m getting no more than 1g every time which is pretty frustrating. Maybe there’s a different way to use ethyl pmk? Cause i used methyl pmk before and had no problems.

 

[WillD]

thank you for answering. I could figure out how to turn it into oil, but I’m getting no more than 1g every time which is pretty frustrating. Maybe there’s a different way to use ethyl pmk? Cause i used methyl pmk before and had no problems.

Woowoo21What is this kind? There is a chance that you need to react with alkali before making rearrangement with acid

 

[chinacat]

^ Correct. Wax is 2-step conversion.

 

[Woowoo21]

What is this kind? There is a chance that you need to react with alkali before making rearrangement with acid

William DampierCan you please explain the process? That would be of a huge help

 

[chinacat]

Can you please explain the process? That would be of a huge help

Woowoo21

 

[pdwshopnl]

First you must get sodium or pottasium Salt. This reaction is name: saponification

Saponification

Esters can be cleaved back into a carboxylic acid and an alcohol by reaction with water and a base. The reaction is called a saponification from the Latin sapo which means soap. The name comes from …

chem.libretexts.org

Next this sodium or pottasium Salt you give Next reaction - acid hydrolise and you give what you want

 

[Woowoo21]

Oh yes thank you a lot I did that, and works perfection fine !

 

[pdwshopnl]

 

[chinacat]

Yay You did it!

 

[robinhood]

Hello everyone,

I was asked by a friend a couple months ago to try and help him with his experiment of bypassing the precursor from his PMK wax. His goal was to turn it into PMK oil for MDMA synthesis. I was promised a percentage of the final product (MDMA moonrock) if i were able to assist him in discovering the method of turning the PMK wax to oil so he can continue production - he has a decent sized lab set up which was at a stand still because of the precursor.

He had a very vague and unclear instruction sheet that we were going to use as a guide to experiment the wax to oil conversion.

I knew that his instruction sheet was missing key details as soon as a read it but we felt confident about being able to solve the missing pieces.

After 2 failed experiments - we were able to succesfully convert the wax to PMK oil which he then used to start his MDMA production back up.

We started with 5KG wax and yielded 60% and ended with 3L of oil. He produced close to 3kg of MDMA with that oil and i never received my promised percentage and he stopped answering my calls.

I never wrote down the exact measurements of the supporting chems that we used during out experiments. He prepared all of the measurements which is what i am hoping to learn from this forum.

I have a very bad short term memory but i will do my best to share what i learned from that experiment.

From what i can remember, the method + chemicals + measurments we used were:

1) PMK wax - 5kg / 5 litres (we heated the solid wax to liquid form)
2) ethanol - ?
3) distilled water - ?
4) Hydrochloric Acid - ? (Dripped slowly - fast spin insided reactor vessel for 3 - 4 hours after hcl finished dripping)
5) DCM as solvent
6) transfered to rotary evap at 60° until dcm was all evaporated.

Result: 3L of PMK oil (nice aroma, light brownish-gold liquid)

I am hoping that someone can shed some light on my problem :

I would love to know what the exact measurements we used and any relevant information i might be forgetting that is required to succesfully repeat the method to convert PMK wax to PMK oil for mdma production.

Any and all knowledge and help on this matter is very much appreciated!

I apologise for such a long post - thank you for reading and i look forward to any replies.

 

[robinhood]

Fair enough. New to this forum. I appreciate the reply and that should be enough. Thank you.