PMK Oil Synthesys From PMK (CAS 28578-16-7 Wax Form) Large Scale

[G.Patton]

Perfect, I shall. Just wanted to make sure because there seems to be a lot of confusion about pmk oil and its different versions.
Thanks

CuriousonionThis post is good explanation, which was posted @btcboss2022 (thank you). I confirm, that it is proved and working method.

 

[FredDurst]

This post is good explanation, which was posted @btcboss2022 (thank you). I confirm, that it is proved and working method.

G.PattonIs there any alternative to DCM (Toluene maybe?) as its hard to get in my country?

 

[Precursor-supplier]

Is there any alternative to DCM (Toluene maybe?) as its hard to get in my country?

FredDurstI can provide

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Is there any alternative to DCM (Toluene maybe?) as its hard to get in my country?

FredDurstboiling of tolueen is problem.

 

[btcboss2022]

Hello , thats my method, (im Fring, just lost the fucking password)
ive seen you added some steps, questions:

you deceided to use sodium bicarbonate instead of NaOH washings , why exactly? (i tried both all worked)
and in the final step, you say "evaporate the DCM from the bottom" , why evaporate? would not be better separate the layers?
or you mean , after separate put it to vacuum distill to get rid of some possible water residues?

and the PMK colour? dark red-brown, or yellowish as the old one?

DafunkphenomenaHello,

Firstly I don't think you created that process, in fact I had this similar info long time ago from Chinese suppliers, anyway I made some changes as you can see.
Sodium bicarbonate is a softer washing method and in this case is safer to use it to avoid to damage the product.
About DCM obviously I mean to separate the bottom layer(DCM layer) and evaporate it sorry if my explanation is not clear.
To avoid water after separate layers you can dry it with anydrous sodium sulfate and filter it before evaporate the solvent( in fact I always do it in all my processes)
Thanks.

 

[FredDurst]

Hello,

Firstly I don't think you created that process, in fact I had this similar info long time ago from Chinese suppliers, anyway I made some changes as you can see.
Sodium bicarbonate is a softer washing method and in this case is safer to use it to avoid to damage the product.
About DCM obviously I mean to separate the bottom layer(DCM layer) and evaporate it sorry if my explanation is not clear.
To avoid water after separate layers you can dry it with anydrous sodium sulfate and filter it before evaporate the solvent( in fact I always do it in all my processes)
Thanks.

btcboss2022Is there any alternative to DCM (Toluene maybe?) as its hard to get in my country?

 

[btcboss2022]

Is there any alternative to DCM (Toluene maybe?) as its hard to get in my country?

FredDurstToluene will works too but I can't assure you the same yield basically because I didn't tried.

 

[FredDurst]

Toluene will works too but I can't assure you the same yield basically because I didn't tried.

btcboss2022Ok thanks mate. Will give it a go

 

[J-man]

Hi everyone, sorry but is the starting material here, this PMK wax. Is this just Paraffin Wax, Piperonyl Methyl Ketone PMK? Or is this PMK wax something completely different? Thanks

 

[G.Patton]

Hi everyone, sorry but is the starting material here, this PMK wax. Is this just Paraffin Wax, Piperonyl Methyl Ketone PMK? Or is this PMK wax something completely different? Thanks

J-man

PMK oil synthesys from PMK (CAS 28578-16-7 wax form) large scale​

Hello, there is CAS number in the heading

 

[J-man]

Wax form means that this substance looks like wax. It is slang name. There are nothing common with wax from candle, lol.

G.Pattonokie dokie, So PMK doesn't stand for Piperonyl Methyl Ketone? Because Piperonyl Methyl Ketone is also called Paraffin and used in candles. Thats how i have made this connection..but i am wrong?

 

[J-man]

okie dokie, So PMK doesn't stand for Piperonyl Methyl Ketone? Because Piperonyl Methyl Ketone is also called Paraffin and used in candles. Thats how i have made this connection..but i am wrong?

J-manI guess another question would be is PMK glycidate oil the same thing as PMK Piperonyl Methyl Ketone? I have looked but still unsure as there are many answers saying Piperonyl Methyl Ketone is PMK? Thanks

 

[J-man]

I guess another question would be is PMK glycidate oil the same thing as PMK Piperonyl Methyl Ketone? I have looked but still unsure as there are many answers saying Piperonyl Methyl Ketone is PMK? Thanks

J-manNever mind lol, i just worked it out. so, this PMK you start with here- (PMK glycidate oil) is different to PMK Piperonyl Methyl Ketone.. you end up with PMK Piperonyl Methyl Ketone (MDP2P) (4676-39-5) after doing this PMK oil Synthesis!
Haha man.. Good times

 

[Handsomerx]

Sorry I’m new here. Can anyone answer two questions
Using CAS 25785 (pmk glycidate oil) then adding naOH, then adding sulfuric, oxalic, and citric acid over time and washing with H20, bi carb, brine, and vacuum distillation
1) what color should it be? Mine is a beautiful red color. Clear.
2) what does it smell like? Mine smells like…idk? Chemicals? But kinda sweet?
thanks in advanced
-handsome

 

[btcboss2022]

Sorry I’m new here. Can anyone answer two questions
Using CAS 25785 (pmk glycidate oil) then adding naOH, then adding sulfuric, oxalic, and citric acid over time and washing with H20, bi carb, brine, and vacuum distillation
1) what color should it be? Mine is a beautiful red color. Clear.
2) what does it smell like? Mine smells like…idk? Chemicals? But kinda sweet?
thanks in advanced
-handsome

HandsomerxI don't know the process that you follow with that products but normally is a yellow-brown oil depends of PMK manufacturer too the best one I use the final oil is yellow.

 

[Handsomerx]

I don't know the process that you follow with that products but normally is a yellow-brown oil depends of PMK manufacturer too the best one I use the final oil is yellow.

btcboss2022230 g pmk
Added to 300ml 16% naOH solution stired 2 hours
20%sulfuric acid 100 g citric 60 oxalic mixed cooled and added 30 mil at a time
Cooled to 30c added xylene until waiting until oil separated to tooe
H20 washes and bicarbonate washes if that helps

 

[btcboss2022]

230 g pmk
Added to 300ml 16% naOH solution stired 2 hours
20%sulfuric acid 100 g citric 60 oxalic mixed cooled and added 30 mil at a time
Cooled to 30c added xylene until waiting until oil separated to tooe
H20 washes and bicarbonate washes if that helps

HandsomerxWithout heating and reflux?
And it works? Yield?
Interesting if it works but difficult to make the processes needed in good way without heating.

 

[Handsomerx]

Without heating and reflux?
And it works? Yield?
Interesting if it works but difficult to make the processes needed in good way without heating.

btcboss2022Pardon 28578, same one you’ve written about.
yes heated in base phase and acid.
And heated during vacuum

 

[G.Patton]

Sorry I’m new here. Can anyone answer two questions
Using CAS 25785 (pmk glycidate oil) then adding naOH, then adding sulfuric, oxalic, and citric acid over time and washing with H20, bi carb, brine, and vacuum distillation
1) what color should it be? Mine is a beautiful red color. Clear.
2) what does it smell like? Mine smells like…idk? Chemicals? But kinda sweet?
thanks in advanced
-handsome

Handsomerx

CAS 25785

It isn't PMK gycidate.

 

[Handsomerx]

It isn't PMK gycidate.

G.PattonSorry that was a typo. Sometimes that dyslexia slides in.

 

[otw247]

11. Add 10 liters of DCM (from freezer preferably).

Is it possible to substitute DCM for Toulene?

Sadly I'm in a country where DCM is heavily watched

 

[btcboss2022]

Is it possible to substitute DCM for Toulene?

Sadly I'm in a country where DCM is heavily watched

otw247Yes possible but yield could change.

 

[bitcoinup2020]

Hello, I'm a beginner.

I would like to inquire in section 6.
6. Add 3,25kg of HCL 37% in small portions, once all added keep the mixture at 80 °C reflux during 1 hour stirring.

Can I use Hydrochloric Acid 35% instead of Hydrochloric Acid 37%?

 

[Zarder]

Hello, I'm a beginner.

I would like to inquire in section 6.
6. Add 3,25kg of HCL 37% in small portions, once all added keep the mixture at 80 °C reflux during 1 hour stirring.

Can I use Hydrochloric Acid 35% instead of Hydrochloric Acid 37%?

bitcoinup2020Yes you can. Just make sure the molar equivalences are the same

 

[otw247]

Yes you can. Just make sure the molar equivalences are the same

Zarder

Yes you can. Just make sure the molar equivalences are the same

Just to confirm - can you make sure my maths are correct?

HCI 37% (0.37*1.18*(1000/36.46) = 11.97M

HCI 35% (0.35*1.18*(1000/36.46) = 11.32M

11.97/11.32 = 1.057

Use 5.7% more of the HCI 35% to complete molar ratio?

 

[G.Patton]

Just to confirm - can you make sure my maths are correct?

HCI 37% (0.37*1.18*(1000/36.46) = 11.97M

HCI 35% (0.35*1.18*(1000/36.46) = 11.32M

11.97/11.32 = 1.057

Use 5.7% more of the HCI 35% to complete molar ratio?

otw247You can calculate it easier:
3250g * 0.37 = 1202.5 g of pure HCl in the solution. You have to take same amount of pure HCl in 35% solution.
Hence:
1202.5 g / 0.35 = 3435.7g of 35% HCl solution.