Seeking help with pseudoephedrine extraction

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Hello! I recently became interested in synthesizing Meth and need help extracting pseudoephedrine(img.4) from tablets, some containing 200mg/30mg (Iboprofen(img.3)/Pseudo Hydrochloride)€5.26(img.1) and others 5mg/120mg(Cetirizine Dihydrochloride(img.5)/Pseudo Hydrochloride)3.73 €(img.2), both choices do not require a prescription. Of course, those for 3.73€ are much more profitable than the others, but they are not available in every pharmacy, and they are more difficult to "explain" because they are for allergies (some pharmacies require a medical note about the allergy, as stupid to sound, and they are made of interesting). I am not very well versed in what amines can and cannot dissolve in besides water, that the primary ones are the most soluble and so on, even after that I have no idea how to separate them. If anyone has any ideas, thanks in advance. In the future I will try to synthesize it with photos and maybe video without expensive equipment etc.


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You have to make a Acid/Base Extraction , your biggest problem you don't find in your Country a source for HCI and solvents . In your country they don't sell an private person HCI,Toulol, Acetone and other thinks . Also you don't find Red Phosphorus you have to made by own , the other problem it will be that the price of your Product it will be extremely high , it will be good for self use but for selling its absurd. 120 mg you get maybe 100mg from one Pill you need 1 Package for one gram Ephedrine , you have costs for the extraction , then you have costs for the other thinks , Another problem will be that how you will buy big quantities of Pills because from this year you need a e-recipe . From the other pills with 30mg your end product it will be more than 20-25th euro for one piece , the bulk price in your Country its half of it.
 

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You have to make a Acid/Base Extraction , your biggest problem you don't find in your Country a source for HCI and solvents . In your country they don't sell an private person HCI,Toulol, Acetone and other thinks . Also you don't find Red Phosphorus you have to made by own , the other problem it will be that the price of your Product it will be extremely high , it will be good for self use but for selling its absurd. 120 mg you get maybe 100mg from one Pill you need 1 Package for one gram Ephedrine , you have costs for the extraction , then you have costs for the other thinks , Another problem will be that how you will buy big quantities of Pills because from this year you need a e-recipe . From the other pills with 30mg your end product it will be more than 20-25th euro for one piece , the bulk price in your Country its half of it.
SpeedfacWell the source for acetone here is a Hardware shops you can 500ml Acetone for solvent of paint for less than 2euros. The HCl is sometimes found in smaller towns supermarkets it was HCL 17% and etc. about the price i tought here in Bulgaria is the most cheapest for ephedrie and everyone makes it and the price is exactly 20-25euros per hit(idk how much is it exactly but probablly 0,4 or 0,5gs. And dont start me with the crystals... they r not even yellow they are orange
 

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The real crystals on Street in Bulgaria are 120-140 leva , but the bulk price for one K is 10500 till 13000 euro of good stuff , with your production price from 25 t euro you are fucked up. And HCi 17% you need better.
 

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Hi, I was surprised to see all these negative comments, mentioning everything except the answer for the question. Now, I don`t know what is available/unavailable in the questioner`s country, but this forum is to help each other overcome difficulties and I am sure there are solutions to almost everything.

To start I recommend acid-base extraction and using the Cetirizine containing tablets, although I have not done this. (I`ll try to get some similar pills as they are available in almost every country - then attempt the procedure, some pitfalls can only come out with experimenting.)

1. First grind your tablets into a fine powder - e.g. using a coffee grinder
2. Dissolve the powder in distilled water
3. Vacuum filter the insoluble residue (if there is any)
4. I think Cetirizine is soluble in water, but it is also a carboxylic acid. Now carboxylic acids are always soluble in an alkaline solution because they make salts with bases (NaOH, KOH, NaHCO3 etc).
5. I would first do a wash with some non-polar solvent to remove impurities.
6. (Not compulsory, but if your solution is large quantity, then you could reduce the volume by slowly evaporating the water (or vacuum distilling, rotavap whatever you have. This will increase the efficiency of your extraction.)
7. Now basify the solution with 25%NaOH or 33%KOH to at least pH12, you can go a bit over, but don`t use excessive base, it is not a case of `more is better`, it can actually harm your pseudo according to some sources. Some people recommend adding a non-polar solvent (DCM, Chloroform, hexane, petrol ether etc.) first, then add the base, so the basified pseudo will migrate to the non-polar straight away as formed. I would use DCM because then the water will be on top and you can check pH easier in the water phase. Let me know what solvent you have, I can`t imagine country with no solvents available to the public. Go to a DIY or hardware store or just a supermarket and start checking labels. E.g, paint solvents or stain remover solvent (the latter is usually very clean.) DCM can be in paint strippers, if shops don`t sell it to you then check marketplace or other advertising sites.
8. Extract with as much solvent as you can. Do this three times. Ideally the combined solvent should be at least as much as the water left. This increases efficiency tremendously and then you can distill off and save most of the solvent anyway.
9. Combine the solvent from the 3 extractions, wash with some distilled water 2 times 1/4th of the solvent volume is enough. Then finally wash with brine - leave this stand for a while so that brine can suck out as much water from your solvent as possible. Then dry with dry MgSO4, and filter the dryin agent. You should have a relatively clean solution.
10. Distill off your solvent and you should be left with pseudo freebase.
11. Here I would do a TLC to see if there are other components, then you can vacuum filter to clean it or steam distill if you don`t have a strong enough vacuum pump. If you don`t have experience with TLC then you can leave this, your product should be OK for reduction. I will try to do this if I can get some similar tablets and report back.

Let me know if you have any questions then we`ll move on to the next phase to make meth. :)
 

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Hi, I was surprised to see all these negative comments, mentioning everything except the answer for the question. Now, I don`t know what is available/unavailable in the questioner`s country, but this forum is to help each other overcome difficulties and I am sure there are solutions to almost everything.

To start I recommend acid-base extraction and using the Cetirizine containing tablets, although I have not done this. (I`ll try to get some similar pills as they are available in almost every country - then attempt the procedure, some pitfalls can only come out with experimenting.)

1. First grind your tablets into a fine powder - e.g. using a coffee grinder
2. Dissolve the powder in distilled water
3. Vacuum filter the insoluble residue (if there is any)
4. I think Cetirizine is soluble in water, but it is also a carboxylic acid. Now carboxylic acids are always soluble in an alkaline solution because they make salts with bases (NaOH, KOH, NaHCO3 etc).
5. I would first do a wash with some non-polar solvent to remove impurities.
6. (Not compulsory, but if your solution is large quantity, then you could reduce the volume by slowly evaporating the water (or vacuum distilling, rotavap whatever you have. This will increase the efficiency of your extraction.)
7. Now basify the solution with 25%NaOH or 33%KOH to at least pH12, you can go a bit over, but don`t use excessive base, it is not a case of `more is better`, it can actually harm your pseudo according to some sources. Some people recommend adding a non-polar solvent (DCM, Chloroform, hexane, petrol ether etc.) first, then add the base, so the basified pseudo will migrate to the non-polar straight away as formed. I would use DCM because then the water will be on top and you can check pH easier in the water phase. Let me know what solvent you have, I can`t imagine country with no solvents available to the public. Go to a DIY or hardware store or just a supermarket and start checking labels. E.g, paint solvents or stain remover solvent (the latter is usually very clean.) DCM can be in paint strippers, if shops don`t sell it to you then check marketplace or other advertising sites.
8. Extract with as much solvent as you can. Do this three times. Ideally the combined solvent should be at least as much as the water left. This increases efficiency tremendously and then you can distill off and save most of the solvent anyway.
9. Combine the solvent from the 3 extractions, wash with some distilled water 2 times 1/4th of the solvent volume is enough. Then finally wash with brine - leave this stand for a while so that brine can suck out as much water from your solvent as possible. Then dry with dry MgSO4, and filter the dryin agent. You should have a relatively clean solution.
10. Distill off your solvent and you should be left with pseudo freebase.
11. Here I would do a TLC to see if there are other components, then you can vacuum filter to clean it or steam distill if you don`t have a strong enough vacuum pump. If you don`t have experience with TLC then you can leave this, your product should be OK for reduction. I will try to do this if I can get some similar tablets and report back.

Let me know if you have any questions then we`ll move on to the next phase to make meth. :)
diogenesI'm in Brazil and there's not much information about methamphetamine and even less about how to synthesize, I'm looking to make it and what I have available here are 60x2,5 tablets (triprolidine) with lactose magnesium starch and povidone, is this tutorial of yours for these pills?
 
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