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HEISENBERGGood method, congratulations. Why didn't you choose the method of obtaining amphetamine through 1-phenyl-2-nitropene > 1-phenyl-2-nitropropane > ZINC + hydrochloric acid?
The volumes scale more and the temperature is more stable.
The yield of the final product is much higher

The consumption of NaBH4 during the formation of propane at 0-5 degrees is much less, and the yield of the final propane is higher.

Do you think it's enough to get the amphetamine base in isopropanol without additional fractional distillation?
Do you think that the final product does not contain borates?
 

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Good method, congratulations. Why didn't you choose the method of obtaining amphetamine through 1-phenyl-2-nitropene > 1-phenyl-2-nitropropane > ZINC + hydrochloric acid?
The volumes scale more and the temperature is more stable.
The yield of the final product is much higher

The consumption of NaBH4 during the formation of propane at 0-5 degrees is much less, and the yield of the final propane is higher.

Do you think it's enough to get the amphetamine base in isopropanol without additional fractional distillation?
Do you think that the final product does not contain borates?
Hank Schraderis this the way it is?


5000 ml three-neck, flat-bottomed flasks. placed in an ice bath and placed on a magnetic stirrer. We install a reflux condenser cooled with running water, a dropper with a pressure compensator and a thermometer.


In the flask we put 70 gr. NaBH4 dissolved in a mixture of 300 ml water and 700 ml IPA.
We drop a solution of 108 gr. P2NP in 200 ml. IPA through an addition funnel, at such a rate that the temperature of the reaction mixture does not rise above 5 degrees.

After adding all the propene in the flask, a white slurry with insoluble borates formed in the flask, cool the mixture to 0 degrees and slowly add 300 mL. chilled 85% acetic acid, keeping the temperature in the flask no higher than 3 degrees. When all the acetic acid has been added, the borates should dissolve and the solution should take on a yellowish beige hue.

We fall asleep in a flask with one portion of 270 gr. zinc dust and add 800 ml through the funnel. 38% hydrochloric acid in the amount of about 50-60 ml. in a minute. Then leave the mixture to stir for 2 hours.
The precipitate is additionally filtered by washing it on the filter with 2-3 portions of IPA, 20-30 ml each. the filtrate must be completely transparent. If there are any foreign inclusions, solid particles, filter again.

Add cooled 50% NaOH aqueous solution to the filtrate until a layer of yellowish oil comes to the surface, which will be separated, and the aqueous layer is washed 3-4 times with 100 ml. IPS. Combine the separated oil and alcohol extracts, add 50 gr. finely ground sodium sulfate, cool the mixture below 0 degrees and hold at this temperature for 2-3 hours. Then the mixture is filtered, the precipitate is washed on the filter 1-2 times with 50 ml. anhydrous IPS.
Add 200 ml to the filtrate. anhydrous acetone, put the mixture on a stirrer and add 96% sulfuric acid dropwise until the acidity of the mixture reaches 5.5 - 6. Already during the addition, a precipitate forms, it is necessary to stir the mixture throughout the volume. If mixing is difficult, a little anhydrous acetone can be added.

After reaching the required acidity, the precipitate is filtered, washed on the filter with a small amount of acetone until completely white and dried in air (or batteries) to constant weight. We get 100 + -10 gr. d,l-amphetamine sulfate.

If necessary, solvents can be distilled from the filtrate, the precipitate can be dissolved in 30-50 ml. anhydrous acetone and get another 5-15 g of the substance. However, these residues are quite dirty and will take a long time to wash through the filter, and recrystallization from an ethanol-water system may be necessary to achieve the same purity as the original product.
 

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is this the way it is?


5000 ml three-neck, flat-bottomed flasks. placed in an ice bath and placed on a magnetic stirrer. We install a reflux condenser cooled with running water, a dropper with a pressure compensator and a thermometer.


In the flask we put 70 gr. NaBH4 dissolved in a mixture of 300 ml water and 700 ml IPA.
We drop a solution of 108 gr. P2NP in 200 ml. IPA through an addition funnel, at such a rate that the temperature of the reaction mixture does not rise above 5 degrees.

After adding all the propene in the flask, a white slurry with insoluble borates formed in the flask, cool the mixture to 0 degrees and slowly add 300 mL. chilled 85% acetic acid, keeping the temperature in the flask no higher than 3 degrees. When all the acetic acid has been added, the borates should dissolve and the solution should take on a yellowish beige hue.

We fall asleep in a flask with one portion of 270 gr. zinc dust and add 800 ml through the funnel. 38% hydrochloric acid in the amount of about 50-60 ml. in a minute. Then leave the mixture to stir for 2 hours.
The precipitate is additionally filtered by washing it on the filter with 2-3 portions of IPA, 20-30 ml each. the filtrate must be completely transparent. If there are any foreign inclusions, solid particles, filter again.

Add cooled 50% NaOH aqueous solution to the filtrate until a layer of yellowish oil comes to the surface, which will be separated, and the aqueous layer is washed 3-4 times with 100 ml. IPS. Combine the separated oil and alcohol extracts, add 50 gr. finely ground sodium sulfate, cool the mixture below 0 degrees and hold at this temperature for 2-3 hours. Then the mixture is filtered, the precipitate is washed on the filter 1-2 times with 50 ml. anhydrous IPS.
Add 200 ml to the filtrate. anhydrous acetone, put the mixture on a stirrer and add 96% sulfuric acid dropwise until the acidity of the mixture reaches 5.5 - 6. Already during the addition, a precipitate forms, it is necessary to stir the mixture throughout the volume. If mixing is difficult, a little anhydrous acetone can be added.

After reaching the required acidity, the precipitate is filtered, washed on the filter with a small amount of acetone until completely white and dried in air (or batteries) to constant weight. We get 100 + -10 gr. d,l-amphetamine sulfate.

If necessary, solvents can be distilled from the filtrate, the precipitate can be dissolved in 30-50 ml. anhydrous acetone and get another 5-15 g of the substance. However, these residues are quite dirty and will take a long time to wash through the filter, and recrystallization from an ethanol-water system may be necessary to achieve the same purity as the original product.
Mystery_chemistryYes, +- this method. The main task in the formation of propane with a large yield.
Also use an overhead stirrer to stir the zinc.
 

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Dear Friends. We have begun a great job of creating our own unique video instructions for the synthesis of various substances. Soon we will start publishing them, so that beginners could use the video to understand how to synthesize one or another substance correctly.
We have a roadmap of these works. But we also ask you to let us know what video instructions you need. We do not undertake to fulfill all requests, but we will definitely do the most demanded ones.
HEISENBERGPersonally, I would love a phenobarbital synthesis video. I even requested it in a thread in this forum with some of my own details and failures.

Then a fun one (that nobody in their right mind would try....) would be 2,6-diisopropylphenol (aka: Propofol). It's a relatively simple procedure:
  1. React H2SO4 with phenol to attach a sulphate group at the 4 location (as a protection group)
  2. React with IPA to attach the two isopropyl groups at locations 2 and 6.
  3. React with NaOH to remove the sulfonate group at the 4 location, thus yielding propofol.
More details on the synthesis can be found here.

A few reasons I think it's worth doing a video on it:
  1. It's very hard to take on your own, it needs to be infused with lidocaine because it stings like hell at the injection site, and it's not water soluble, so it needs to be emulsified with soybean extract
  2. It's totally legal. It's not on any of the DEA scheduled narcotic lists.
  3. Even though nobody would try this after they make it, I think it's neat to have such a commonly used lifesaving drug in my medicinal collection :)
But I would hope you make the phenobarbital (or other barbiturate) video first! That's one I'm really struggling with :-(
Would a donation help speed up a phenobarbital synthesis video? :-D lol If so, PM me.
 

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I think a lot of people would have interest in a video;
Resolution of enantiomers of methamphetamine via D-tartaric acid or some such. I can't imagine not going that extra distance to add 50% more potency.
 

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When can I get a video about the synthesis of P2P from benzaldehyde
 

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HEISENBERGGreat content as always.

This really helped me to understand the last steps of the amph. freebase synthesis via P2NP & NABH4 much more.

Looking forward to more content from you guys
 

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Nice video.

Will there be a video of

N-Formylamphetamine Hydrolysis from BMK-P2P

N-Formylamphetamine Hydrolysis by NaOH way

I think a lot of people will have use for that, since a lot of people use BMK-P2P, and since there is a video out there on how to synthesize BMK

/Thanks
 

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Nice video.

Will there be a video of

N-Formylamphetamine Hydrolysis from BMK-P2P

N-Formylamphetamine Hydrolysis by NaOH way

I think a lot of people will have use for that, since a lot of people use BMK-P2P, and since there is a video out there on how to synthesize BMK

/Thanks
SwesweThe Formamide-Formic acid way...
 

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Video on p2p to meth
 

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Video on p2p to meth
boasthere already are vids on this topic, I'm interested in seeing p2p to meth NaBH4 reductive amination though
 

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MDA form helional
 

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MA from phenylephrine. Would raise some eyebrows.
 

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Dear Friends. We have begun a great job of creating our own unique video instructions for the synthesis of various substances. Soon we will start publishing them, so that beginners could use the video to understand how to synthesize one or another substance correctly.
We have a roadmap of these works. But we also ask you to let us know what video instructions you need. We do not undertake to fulfill all requests, but we will definitely do the most demanded ones.
HEISENBERGif say swim edits some video material shall it be sent over to you for review and eventually postproduction before being officially uploaded alongside work protocol and all?
 

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if say swim edits some video material shall it be sent over to you for review and eventually postproduction before being officially uploaded alongside work protocol and all?
HerrHaberWe'll be sure to watch the video. If it's done well and without factual errors, we'll be happy to post it on all the platforms where we post our videos
 
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