One-pot Amphetamine Synthesis From P2NP With NaBH4/CuCl2 (1kg scale)

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Hello everyone. I tried to make some amphetamine using this recipe on a small scale, but failed. Everything seemed ok, after drying my product looked like white powder with a tinge of redness. If it was amphetamine sulfate (which I was trying to make), the yield would be 84%. The problem is, it's not amphetamine.

Physiological effects
I tried 20-30 mg, there was definitely stimulation, but also it caused fever and, apparently, a decline in immunity: both times I took it for several days in a row, I fell ill with respiratory infections (first time I thought it was a coincidence). Another person that took it did not experience any stimulation from up to 90 mg, only some mouth dryness. Neither of us have any tolerance to stimulants.

Chemical testing
1 g of the powder completely dissolves in 10 ml H2O.
When I added excess NaOH solution to a measured mass of the powder in a test tube, I got an approximately right volume of freebase smelling of ammonia. I separated the freebase layer, dried it with CaCl2 and tried to titrate it with acid. As a result, I measured molar mass of the freebase to be about 171 (and for amphetamine it's 135). While my measurements weren't very precise, the difference is still too large to be explained by measurement errors alone.

My deviations from the procedure

1) When adding P2NP, I realized it was going to take hours, so I got impatient and immersed the reaction flask in a room temperature water bath. After that I was able to add P2NP almost all at once, and the temperature of the mixture didn't exceed 40-50 °С.
2) I was following the video, so I didn't evaporate the IPA and added conc. sulfuric acid to the IPA/freebase layer directly.
3) I didn't have any acetone at the moment, so I didn't add it before acidifying and I washed the filtered "amphetamine sulfate" paste with IPA.
4) IPA is less volatile than acetone, so I had to put my precipitate in an oven for several hours to dry it to constant weight. The temperature in the oven didn't exceed 80 °С.

So, the big question is, where did it go wrong? I wouldn't be surprised with low yield or no product at all, but getting a good yield of an amine that's not amphetamine?!
 
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The method as described here lacks all product workup/cleanup and and as such provides a very dirty and unclean Amphetamine, in special as NasBH4 reductions are all not giving very clean product. Purple MDMA and such.
I know the physiological effects like fever like very well and it is just the missing cleaning trust me.
There are several ways to do the workup, from distillation, normal, vacuum or steam of the base or dissolving the sulfate in water and washing this several times with toluene or petrolether or my favorite: 50/50 mix of petrol ether and Ethylacetate. Then evaporate the water and wash the resulting salt with copious amounts of Acetone and petrol ether as last. Already the simple washings give you a consumable product which does not make you sick like the crap which contains borate salts or else.
 

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Even with the dirtiest amp he would have felt it just fine....guaranteed he got "almost amp" mainly riddled with hydroxylamine. This reaction goes south on people all the time. They have wayyyy too much nabh4 left when it's time to add the copper and with the heat the nanoparticles aggregate and become completely useless as a catalyst....fully useless... and leave semi reduced product. The only way I've been able to get around that is by reducing 1st in methanol/thf to propane then extracting and then using anyone of the zinc/formic acid combos.... for the nitro. Zero Michael addition.
 

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I tried it today, but something must have gone wrong..I followed the instructions exactly, but in the end there is more than there should be. What could have happened? Can anyone give me advice? Can it be cleaned? Thank you for every answer
 

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Please. How do I have a reaction more nabh4? I threw in for 6 hours but still not much nabh4 dissolved. In the end, when I added acid, the whole thing thickened after filtration, a white substance remained, but I suppose it's nabh4.. I followed the instructions I don't know what's wrong.
 

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My mescaline guide might help for 1 or 2 mol amounts. Possibly up to 500 g+ in a 20 L reaction vessel.

The same procedure for P2NP as with Mescaline nitrostyrene, however I do not know if it is more reactive. Have not worked with it.

Take a look here:

Or posted here (if starting from benzaldehyde):
 

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My friend and I always cooked amphetamine in the forest.
That is, for synthesis we really only needed 3 construction basins, Phenyl-nitropropene, several boxes of mercury thermometers, hydrochloric acid, gasoline and some special ribbons that show the reaction.

My role was always bring and serve, but we produced this product of 99.8% purity.
We had no competition in Moscow :/
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we didn't use fucking acetone because it's bad for your health
 
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What is the salt of amphetamine present on this photos?
 
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At one point in Russia, they suddenly cut off the liquid propen supply—left a bunch of wannabe cooks totally clueless. Product turned out nasty as hell, colors ranging from sketchy pinks to filthy yellows and straight-up horrifying oranges. But my homie was different—he was one of the few who knew the synthesis inside and out. Back in the day, he cooked pristine pervitin for the whole block, but dude got busted—hit him with a solid 20-year stretch. Luckily there’s a war poppin' off, so he'll probably get tossed onto the front lines and bounce back home early. Then we'll pick right back up where we left off.
 

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but you say "...3 construction basins, Phenyl-nitropropene, several boxes of mercury thermometers, hydrochloric acid, gasoline and some special ribbons..." and in your list of reagents only hydrochloric acid
 

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I can hit him up and get the full cook recipe—it's fuckin' one-of-a-kind.
 

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in this synthesis using only this reagents "...Phenyl-nitropropene, several boxes of mercury thermometers, hydrochloric acid, gasoline and some special ribbons..." amp sulfate cannot be obtained.

with hydrochloric acid obtain amp hydrochloride
with sulphuric acid obtain amp sulphate
 

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Your reagents list remind different synthesis way (Al/Hg approach). Why did you write this post under NaBH4 method? It's, also, interesting about HCl and sulphate salt.
 

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Lately, I have not been able to get this reaction. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Before that, I had better results. I always make only a lot of 10 grams, I don't know what I'm doing wrong, maybe someone can help. I have the ratio of substances as in the video, I use a half-liter flask with 3 holes - thermometer, cooler and hole where I put it. I use magnetic stirring. I think that's enough for that amount. In the first phase, my temperature is around 40-50 degrees, every time it starts to drop, I make a match. I tried 2 but also 4 hours with the same result. In the second phase, when I add a small amount, my temperature does not rise, as a result I have maybe half a gram. Before that, I used to have 5-6 grams. After adding H3PO4 drops, the whole thing thickened, now only a little bit is formed. I don't know what I'm doing wrong
 

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Hi. Did you ad CuCl2 and reach this temperature?
 
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yes, after adding CuCl2, I keep the temperature at 75-80 °C. When I did it before, it worked. I don't know where I'm making a mistake and why the yield is so small.. I'll try a different extraction method, I read somewhere here that it works without acetone
 

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When I finish the first phase the temperature is around 50c. then I add CuCl2 but the temperature doesn't increase by itself I have to heat it up and I think the reaction is going on for a short time I follow it by the formation of bubbles but I don't know if that's right..otherwise everything looks like in the video. it happened to me but when I put a-oil in the freezer ice formed there so I think that in the phase when the hydroxide is added it didn't distribute as it should but I also don't know why..I'll try to buy another IPA, I used it differently than when I did it before. maybe that's the problem.. I'm most angry when I tried it the first time it worked much better
 

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What color of your CuCl2?
>>but when I put a-oil in the freezer ice formed there
On a what step? Was it after acidification on Step 11? It's okay because your acid contains water. What pH have you reached?
 

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The color of CuCl2 is the same as in the video, and I only added a few drops of acid, but there was a lot of ice. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, everything looks good, the temperature has also risen after adding CuCl2, you need to have a higher temperature than I had. A-oil looks good, but I can't get amphetamine... and I'm gradually lowering the pH to 5.
 

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Hello!

I built small version of batch chemical reactor that has 0.01C temperature precision, handle vacuum distillation while stirring, accurately add p2np in small portions using feeder, built from organic chemistry glassware. If you feed it with correct amounts and chemicals, it would produce without putting any additional effort.

I'm looking for a partner, who can get me chemicals in larger quantities, especially nitroethane. Chemical knowledge is also welcomed, since I'm mechanical engineer.
It would take me a lot of effort and energy to get the chemicals while I want to foucus on technology and product.

Send me dm if you are interested.
 
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