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Amphetamine synthesis from P2NP via Al/Hg (video)
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thanks for the video it was quite enlightening to bad my crappy network speed made it watching this a nightmare
Video instructions are very convenient for those who are just taking their first steps. For more experienced chemists, simple instructions are sufficient. You can download this video.
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years ago, videos like this would have helped me so much not to have to search for and combine all my knowledge as a layman somewhere among half-truths. Plus the often incorrect translation ... not everything was better back then 
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My friend in the video, specifically this picture in the bag, says that it is sodium hydroxide and it is in the form of crystals, and the hydroxide I have is liquid. Can you explain this point to me?
The second thing, is p2np here, the topic in the video is powder, crystals or liquid, and if it is liquid, how was it converted from crystals to liquid or powder, thank you
My friend in the video, specifically this picture in the bag, says that it is sodium hydroxide and it is in the form of crystals, and the hydroxide I have is liquid. Can you explain this point to me?
The second thing, is p2np here, the topic in the video is powder, crystals or liquid, and if it is liquid, how was it converted from crystals to liquid or powder, thank you
Sodium hydroxide initially has a crystalline structure. Next, an alkali solution is made from it by adding water. Phenylnitropropene is also a powder, but for this reaction make its solution in isopropyl alcohol and acetic acid. Before the start of the synthesis, the laboratory assistant prepared a solution of 10 g of 1-phenyl-2-nitropropene in 100 ml of isopropyl alcohol and 50 ml of acetic acid.
0:04-0:40 - Preparation of an aqueous solution of alkali. In this video, it was made in advance so that the solution cools down by the time the main reaction mixture alkalizes. Alkalinization proceeds with the release of heat, and if a fresh hot alkali solution is used, then the exothermic will be more pronounced and forced cooling of the reaction mass will be required.
0:04-0:40 - Preparation of an aqueous solution of alkali. In this video, it was made in advance so that the solution cools down by the time the main reaction mixture alkalizes. Alkalinization proceeds with the release of heat, and if a fresh hot alkali solution is used, then the exothermic will be more pronounced and forced cooling of the reaction mass will be required.
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10 g can be in a 1 L flask if the reaction is controlled, but hard.
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- By lone_w0lf
With all due respect, I’d like to disagree. I’m a complete amateur, a beginner. I followed an excellent video/guide, and it really wasn’t that difficult. I used a bit of cooling with running cold tap water so that the flask could still be held by hand, and the vapor didn’t even reach a third of the condenser. The long neck of the flask obviously helped (see photo), but everything went very smoothly, and the whole experiment was a success — as far as I can tell. It was my second successful synthesis; the first one used half the amount of reagents but otherwise the same setup.
I’m a complete amateur, a beginner. I followed an excellent video/guide, and it really wasn’t that difficult. I used a bit of cooling with running cold tap water so that the flask could still be held by hand, and the vapor didn’t even reach a third of the condenser. The long neck of the flask obviously helped (see photo), but everything went very smoothly, and the whole experiment was a success — as far as I can tell. It was my second successful synthesis; the first one used half the amount of reagents but otherwise the same setup.
Distribution of heat for round flask, you're all right. But about evaporations - use excess solvent or reflux condenser. Flat-bottom flask, more accessible to use.
If you do not deal with open burning, then everything is fine
Yes, it is possible to use plastic for these reactions, but with some conditions
If you do not deal with open burning, then everything is fine
Yes, it is possible to use plastic for these reactions, but with some conditions
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thanks for reply!
What I would like to know is if halving the quantities the reaction will be the same.
In my country is difficult to find 2 liters flask, i only found 1 lt flask, perphaps for law on alchool distillery or other shit...
I'm happy, this forum open me a universe!
What I would like to know is if halving the quantities the reaction will be the same.
In my country is difficult to find 2 liters flask, i only found 1 lt flask, perphaps for law on alchool distillery or other shit...
I'm happy, this forum open me a universe!
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Awesome video! I just got some p2np and almost ready to go, I just need to get some sulfuric acid and some Hg. I am chatting to supplier about some Hg and I have a question for you guys , I can get mercury nitrate and chloride, which should i get ? The chloride is cheaper than the nitrate so i am assumming that would be better but Itll last a lifetime so i really dont mind investing in something better ($45 for chloride and $70 for nitrate).
Also , pure sulfuric acid is not available to public where I am , i think I can get 60% cleaning stuff do you think i could boil/distill this upto a good percentage or should I try harder to buy the 95% stuff?
Also, I have a 5000ml and 2000ml flat bottom conical flask, how much is the max i could run ?
also could i use a glass demijohn (21L or 11.5L) and a ice bath and do 100g runs safely? or would this be hard to work with/not able to handle the exothermic reaction?
Thanks for your time, Happy New Year!
Also , pure sulfuric acid is not available to public where I am , i think I can get 60% cleaning stuff do you think i could boil/distill this upto a good percentage or should I try harder to buy the 95% stuff?
Also, I have a 5000ml and 2000ml flat bottom conical flask, how much is the max i could run ?
also could i use a glass demijohn (21L or 11.5L) and a ice bath and do 100g runs safely? or would this be hard to work with/not able to handle the exothermic reaction?
Thanks for your time, Happy New Year!
You can boil down the sulphuric acid, but you will get massive amounts of corrosive and toxic fumes. So you need to do it outside.
When you boil down the acid, you will also concentrate any impurities that might be in the acid, so you'll end up with a dirty product. To overcome this, you might think about distilling your SA. You need a good heatsource and good, professional glassware for this, since distillation of SA occurs at above 300 degrees C. Just search youtube for info, and please do educate yourself about all the dangers involved in boiling and distilling SA before undertaking it.
When you boil down the acid, you will also concentrate any impurities that might be in the acid, so you'll end up with a dirty product. To overcome this, you might think about distilling your SA. You need a good heatsource and good, professional glassware for this, since distillation of SA occurs at above 300 degrees C. Just search youtube for info, and please do educate yourself about all the dangers involved in boiling and distilling SA before undertaking it.
It is better to use mercury nitrate, given that very small amounts are needed for synthesis, the costs will be insignificant. If you have difficulty buying concentrated sulfuric acid, you can evaporate water from a 65 percent solution. Glass demijohn is not heat-resistant, during an exothermic reaction, the vessel can burst and cause a lot of trouble. It is best to put the first syntheses in small flasks with minimal loads of phenylnitropropene, and with increasing experience, gradually increase the load of the precursor. The video clearly shows the process under ideal conditions, but in this reaction there are problems, and only experience helps to find solutions for them.
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