Fenüülatsetooni (P2P) süntees bensaldehüüdist koos butanooniga

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Ei, see on teistsugune tee. Atsetoksü ainult peräädikhappega.
 

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No it is also acetoxy
 

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Im kavatsen proovida seda sünteesi diklorometaaniga (DCM). Ma ei näe, et see oleks probleemiks ainult see, et see on raskem kui vesi. Kas on mingit põhjust mitte kasutada kergesti kättesaadavat DCM-i ja sünteetilist kloroformi?
 

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Bisulfite adduct is easier and produces a higher purity
 

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Aldoolkontsentratsioon.

Selle juhised on kirjas Organic Reactions (Orgaanilised reaktsioonid)



See kirjutis tundub olevat rohkem kooskõlas sellega, mida ma näen. Kas keegi on tegelikult proovinud ekstraheerida lahustiga orgaanilisest kihist. Kloroformi kasutamine ei toimi, kuna see on orgaanilise kihiga segunev. Kui ma ei jäta midagi kahe silma vahele, siis tuleb seda üleskirjutust katsetada ja muuta.

Keegi on seda sünteesi varem proovinud.
 

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OK. Lihtsalt kuumutage benshüüdi ja MEKi soolhappega umbes 3-5 tundi. Temperatuur: 90-110 C.
Lihtsalt tänage mind. :)
 
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Kõik ütlevad, et sellel meetodil on puudusi. Kas keegi on selle meetodiga tõesti kunagi saanud märkimisväärset saagist?
 

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Ma kasutasin seda meetodit mitu korda. Mõnevõrra modifitseeritud. Parimad tulemused, mida ma sain, olid 30ml P2P 100ml bensaldehüüdist. Samuti tean paari inimest, kes uurisid seda reaktsiooni palju; nende parimad tulemused olid umbes 35ml P2P.

Töömeetod:

1. Metüülfenüülbutenoon valmistatakse järgmiselt: 500ml bensaldehüüdi segatakse 1000ml MEKiga. Segu jahutatakse jääga täidetud pukis umbes +5 kraadini.
2. Sellele lisatakse 35-37%-line vesilahus HCL (tuleb lisada 100g puhast HCL-i, mis vastab umbes 286ml 37%-lisele HCL-le).
3. Segage ja hoidke seda ämbris koos jääga üleöö, laske jää sulada.
4. Oodake veel 24 tundi
5. Pange see eraldussahtrisse, visake alumine kiht ära.
6. Peske tumepruun-punane segu 500 ml veega, visake vesi ära.
7. Destilleerige kõik, mis keeb alla 150 kraadi atmosfäärirõhu juures, ja visake ära
8. Destilleerige ülejäänud õli vaakumis, et saada kollast õli.

See õli tumeneb seismisel nädala jooksul.


Bayer-Villiger:
1. 100 ml eespool valmistatud õli lisatakse 300 ml jäääädikhappe ja 100 ml 50% vesinikperoksiidi segule.
2. Kuumutage ja segage seda 55 kraadi juures.
3. Kui reaktsioon algab, tõuseb temperatuur üle 55..60 (umbes 1..2 tundi): see on märk kuumutamise väljalülitamisest. Kui temperatuur tõuseb 70-ni, siis jahutage kolbi jooksva vee all veidi.
4. Segage, kuni temperatuur langeb tagasi 50..55 kraadini, seejärel lülitage küte uuesti sisse.
5. Segage ja kuumutage 6 tundi.
7. Valage segu 1 l vette, ekstraheerige 3 korda 100+100+100 ml DCMiga.
8. Destilleerige DCM ära


Seebistamine:
1. Pange Bayer-Villigeri toode eelnevast etapist kolbi, segades. Lisatakse aeglaselt
NaOH lahus (30 g NaOH, 250 ml vett, 250 ml etanooli). Aeglaselt, st tilkhaaval, umbes 3..5 tilka sekundis. Segu muutub punakas-oranžiks.

2. Lisamise lõpus peaks pH olema üle 12.
3. Segu juurde lisatakse äädikhapet (mis tahes protsentides), kuni pH on neutraalne. Segu muutub kollaseks
4. Vala see 1L vette ja ekstraheeri 3 korda 100+100+100ml DCM-iga.
5. Destilleerige DCM ja etanooli jäljed atmosfäärirõhul ära.
6. Destilleerige oma P2P vaakumis.
7. Kolbi jääb palju tõrva
 
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I just wanted to point out that there are new studies done about this. The more MEK that is used the less byproducts that are formed. In the study I read they used a ratio of 1 to 6 (1 benzaldehyde to 6 MEK) but when they increased this amount to 8 times and 10 times all byproducts disappeared
 

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10 g bensaldehüüdi + 24 g MEK + 28 g hüdrok.hape (~20%) = 28 g kristalle, kuivatatud pyrex-kaussi = 13 g kristalle.
Hoidke asi lihtsalt. Kui olete kuumutamise lõpetanud, ekstraheerige pruun orgaaniline kiht. Peske 40 ml veega. Ekstraheerige uuesti. Pange 20 ml:s 10% KOH-lahust. Vabanege veest. Kontrollige pH-d. Kui see on liiga happeline või liiga aluseline, pange see 7-le. Vabanege uuesti veest. Pane sügavkülma, sest siis saad külmutatud kujul õlise prahi ära valada ja saad peaaegu valged kristallid. Pane kristallid pyrex-kaussi vms. ja kuivata see. See võib vedeldada, aga pole probleemi. Lihtsalt kuumutage, külmutage, kuumutage, külmutage, kuivatate need kristallid, aga nad ei saa olla krõbedalt kuivad. Ei tea miks. Võibolla on nad lihtsalt sellised.
 
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Can 3-methyl-4-phenyl-3-buten-2-one be distilled without vacuum?
 

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Lol it turned to some bad stuff without vac... I went on to the next step the next time with some minor cleaning and no distillation....I didn't clean up till the end with steam distillation... works fine... yield still plenty good enough. I hate the way that stuff vac distilled......
 

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Yk vacuum distillation is some kind of demon creation thing
 

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Yup so it wasn't just me... thought I screwed something up but it's pretty easy at that point HA. I've now gotten through the entire thing and just doing a steam distillation at the end and it turns out perfectly every time. Although it took some tries to get there.
 

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Can i use 35% H2O2 instead of 50%?
 

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Synthesis of benzaldehyde
 

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Too much GAA use maybe 1.6lish

Hydrolysis is too long in my exp
1.25eq base and 2hrs worked best for me

you didnt get 50% peroxide and attempt this 💀 will d scale up no testing time again

Purification via methylphenylbutanones bisulfite adduct is so much superior (same with p2p) both for not having to make chloroforms sake and end purity

huge excess of mek? Intentional? also amino acids r a better cat than hcl for the aldol and id use perborate for the villiger as thats higher yielding in my exp than H2O2. Percarbonate is less good getting maybe 35% but much easier and not watched at all
 

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I'm considering purifying P2P using bisulfite, but I've read many times that the recovery is low. What is the yield after re-liberating it from the bisulfite adduct?
 
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80s and 90s just try not to have much water in solution as bisulfite adducts are annoyingly slightly soluble in them :3
 

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Oh wait! U can salt it out too cos its only a tiny bit soluble
 

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Does MPB form a bisulfite adduct? No matter how many times I tried, I wasn’t successful. I tried with water, and with a methanol-water mixture. It just doesn’t work.
 

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The suspected P2P adduct was left to dry on the filter. Right now, its texture is indistinguishable from that of a mica-based eyeshadow — it looks exactly like it. Like phenylacetic acid. Is this normal?
 

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is this route can be scaled down ?
 

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Things essentially always work scaled down its scaling up where things go wrong you should be good :3
 
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