Amfetamiinisynteesi P2NP:stä Al/Hg:n avulla (video)

[William Dampier]

10 g voi olla 1 L:n pullossa, jos reaktio on hallittu, mutta kova.

 

[lone_w0lf]

With all due respect, I’d like to disagree. I’m a complete amateur, a beginner. I followed an excellent video/guide, and it really wasn’t that difficult. I used a bit of cooling with running cold tap water so that the flask could still be held by hand, and the vapor didn’t even reach a third of the condenser. The long neck of the flask obviously helped (see photo), but everything went very smoothly, and the whole experiment was a success — as far as I can tell. It was my second successful synthesis; the first one used half the amount of reagents but otherwise the same setup.

 

[William Dampier]

Käytä muovitynnyriä
Käytä polypropeeniputkia lattialämmitykseen
Kyllä
Silloin lämpötila nousee nopeasti, reaktio on hallitsematon.

 

[homestead]

So a plastic barrel is more favourable than a steel barrel?

 

[NieDoswiadczony]

something might be happening if the reaction is not cooled below 60 degrees but for example 70 degrees, can it be noticed, if so, any tips?

 

[G.Patton]

Hi. Reducing yield, more side products.

 

[Dephoj]

Hello, I have a small problem... I only got mercuric nitrate normanal... a volumetric solution... I followed the instructions for dilution exactly... my amalgam reacts and when I add p2np + acetic acid + iso after washing, it reacts very briefly and almost doesn't even heat up... the eccentric reaction lasts about 5 seconds and that's it... do you know what it could be? and one more question... my amphe is always excellent but the yield from 10g p2np is around 3g max, thank you...I follow exactly the procedures from your instructions

 

[G.Patton]

Hello, It really hard to understand what do you mean. Can you explain in more details in correct Eng please?

What is with your amalgam? Probably there is problem.

 

[NieDoswiadczony]

hello. after reaction with P2NP+ipa+acetic acid. when I add NaOh and leave it overnight there are two layers on top light yellow oil and at the bottom dark liquid only there are crystals in the bottom layer, as I guess it is sodium sulfate? the question is where could I have made a mistake was the temperature too high after adding P2NP i.e. more than 60 degrees? or if I added NaOH to an even warmer mixture? could I have done something else wrong?

 

[G.Patton]

You need to extract oily layer and follow method exactly it's written and recorded, man.

 

[Letswork2025]

Is 80% acetic acid good enough?

 

[G.Patton]

You can use it but you have to recalculate it and take it more than GAA.

 

[Jordan Belfort]

What do you mean ? 10L MDP2P batches are no problem with thick alu foil and 10 grams mercury chloride per liter MDP2P and little excess methanol. Reaction takes about 4-5 hours and it boils itself slowly, you can even put plastic drum lid on it no stress.

Then hexane extraction and brine wash as usual.

You think there will come explosion with P2NP ? If you think it's really that violent I can use less foil and once the boiling tempreture is reached simply add foil till all is consumed what should be added. But still I find it stunning why we need to use so much glacial acetic acid. Looking at the 'strenght' of for example sulfuric acid, wouldn't that be a better alternative ? As I have read HCL could also be used so why would not be sulfuric acid ?

Do you put a certain stoichemitry, or do you put the post-reaction mixture at a certain pH, before you add the mercury/foil ?

I know a friend of mine used ammonia chloride for MDA synthese I think was also Al/Hg, perhaps is that also a possiblity here ?

Sorry for my little problematic English.

 

[G.Patton]

This discussion not about MDP2P.

You can perform this synthesis even without GAA. Look at this tutorial.
In case of more of 100g P2NP, It will be impossible to control this too violate exothermic reaction and dissipate heat. It can blow up. You can experiment with foil addition but don't think that it will lead to any result due to nature of this reaction.

 

[Letswork2025]

How much freebase would this produce if sulphate is 60-70% yeild ? Shall I just boil off the alchol Until it’s mostly oil like texture left

 

[G.Patton]

Moles, grams, litres and chemical calculations
Hello, calculate it in accordance with this tutorial.

>>>Shall I just boil off the alchol Until it’s mostly oil like texture left
What do you mean? Can you clearly describe your question please.

 

[Letswork2025]

I tried this method for the first time but I boiled off the alchol to try obtain pure freebase. I got a dark red thick oil ?

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

Try cleaning the free base with steam distillation or acid-base extraction

 

[homestead]

Can this synth be done in a steel barrel? high-density polyethylene?

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

The main problem of this synthesis is the reactive exotherm in the form of a large heat release. If you do not control the temperature, then a lot of alcohol will evaporate and the reaction will worsen. Any reactor systems can be used, provided that you can control the temperature by cooling.

 

[homestead]

Custom round lid with a reflux condenser and a large barrel with ice for the reaction barrel to cool. Thoughts?

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

This can work, you need to select conditions for the amount of loading, cooling and mixing

 

[homestead]

I've tested with 50g p2np and reaction was very controllable, will be scaling up to 100g this week.

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

Share photos and conditions with the BB community

 

[Jordan Belfort]

I am going to try larger, did you use cooling or simply 'mexican style' open pot with enough solvent to boil off?

 

[homestead]

Cooling with an icebath

 

[Klefedronek1337]

Hi, could I divide the portions in half from this recipe and try synthesis? I mean 5g p2p 50ml alcohol and so on? ?

 

[G.Patton]

Hi.
Yes, you can scale it down proportionately.

 

[white_lilith]

Hello. I have had many successful syntheses, but I am still learning. The last synthesis was not entirely successful, so I am asking for advice. I made mistakes due to time pressure and too much confusion in the lab (synthesis without GAA, 10g P2NP):

1. Alkalization stage. Instead of NaOH, I accidentally added about 20ml of IPA. Then, adding 20ml of lye, the pH was about 14.

2. Not knowing what to do, so I added a solution of sulfuric acid and IPA 1:5. The pH was 9.

3. I went back to re-alkalization, freebase precipitated, then decantation and the next steps until the end of the synthesis were problem-free. Finally, washing with Acetone.

4. Unfortunately, the product had no power or speed after drying. My husband felt bad. Am I right and I ruined the product by adding too muc
h NaOh?

 

[Klefedronek1337]

Can I evaporate water from the electrolyte for the battery and use this sulfuric acid? , Is there a guide maybe on the forum on how to safely evaporate this?

 

[GhostChemist]

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhn...ntrated-sulfuric-acid-production-at-home.376/

 

[Chemdog010297]

Can I just use sodium chloride instead of sodium thiosulfate for drying solvent ?

 

[GhostChemist]

absolutely no
sodium thiosulphate is Na2S2O3 (may be you mean Na2SO4 sodium sulphate, so it is drying agent)
sodium chloride is not drying agent