Синтез амфетамина в одном горшке из P2NP с помощью NaBH4/CuCl2 (масштаб 1 кг)

SelfExper1menter

Don't buy from me
New deal
Joined
Apr 4, 2023
Messages
17
Reaction score
3
Points
3
Всем привет. Я пытался сделать амфетамин по этому рецепту в небольших масштабах, но потерпел неудачу. Все вроде бы хорошо, но после сушки мой продукт выглядел как белый порошок с оттенком красноты. Если бы это был сульфат амфетамина (который я пытался сделать), то выход составил бы 84%. Проблема в том, что это не амфетамин.

Физиологические эффекты
Я пробовал 20-30 мг, стимуляция определенно была, но также она вызывала жар и, видимо, снижение иммунитета: оба раза, когда я принимал ее несколько дней подряд, я заболевал респираторными инфекциями (в первый раз я подумал, что это совпадение). Другой человек, принимавший его, не испытывал никакой стимуляции от дозы в 90 мг, только некоторую сухость во рту. Ни у кого из нас нет толерантности к стимуляторам.

Химическое тестирование
1 г порошка полностью растворяется в 10 мл H2O.
Когда я добавил избыток раствора NaOH к отмеренной массе порошка в пробирке, получился примерно правильный объем свободной основы с запахом аммиака. Я отделил слой свободного основания, высушил его CaCl2 и попытался титровать кислотой. В результате я измерил молярную массу фребазы, которая составила около 171 (а для амфетамина - 135). Хотя мои измерения не были очень точными, разница все равно слишком велика, чтобы ее можно было объяснить только погрешностями измерений.

Мои отклонения от процедуры

1) При добавлении P2NP я понял, что это займет несколько часов, поэтому я проявил нетерпение и погрузил реакционную колбу в водяную баню комнатной температуры. После этого мне удалось добавить P2NP почти весь сразу, а температура смеси не превышала 40-50 °С.
2) Я следовал видео, поэтому не выпаривал IPA и добавил конц. серную кислоту непосредственно в слой IPA/фрибаза.
3) Ацетона у меня в тот момент не было, поэтому я не стал добавлять его перед подкислением и промыл отфильтрованную пасту "амфетамин сульфат" IPA.
4) IPA менее летуч, чем ацетон, поэтому мне пришлось поместить осадок в духовку на несколько часов, чтобы высушить его до постоянной массы. Температура в духовке не превышала 80 °С.

Итак, главный вопрос - где все пошло не так? Я бы не удивился низкому выходу или полному отсутствию продукта, но получить хороший выход амина, который не является амфетамином?!
 
View previous replies…

OrgUnikum

🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Language
🇬🇧
Joined
Feb 22, 2023
Messages
337
Reaction score
313
Points
63
The method as described here lacks all product workup/cleanup and and as such provides a very dirty and unclean Amphetamine, in special as NasBH4 reductions are all not giving very clean product. Purple MDMA and such.
I know the physiological effects like fever like very well and it is just the missing cleaning trust me.
There are several ways to do the workup, from distillation, normal, vacuum or steam of the base or dissolving the sulfate in water and washing this several times with toluene or petrolether or my favorite: 50/50 mix of petrol ether and Ethylacetate. Then evaporate the water and wash the resulting salt with copious amounts of Acetone and petrol ether as last. Already the simple washings give you a consumable product which does not make you sick like the crap which contains borate salts or else.
 

waltjr5858

🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Language
🇺🇸
Joined
Apr 5, 2024
Messages
116
Reaction score
27
Points
28
Even with the dirtiest amp he would have felt it just fine....guaranteed he got "almost amp" mainly riddled with hydroxylamine. This reaction goes south on people all the time. They have wayyyy too much nabh4 left when it's time to add the copper and with the heat the nanoparticles aggregate and become completely useless as a catalyst....fully useless... and leave semi reduced product. The only way I've been able to get around that is by reducing 1st in methanol/thf to propane then extracting and then using anyone of the zinc/formic acid combos.... for the nitro. Zero Michael addition.
 

Pajmon

🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Language
🇸🇰
Joined
Feb 22, 2025
Messages
70
Reaction score
26
Points
8
7Larq9OUew
I tried it today, but something must have gone wrong..I followed the instructions exactly, but in the end there is more than there should be. What could have happened? Can anyone give me advice? Can it be cleaned? Thank you for every answer
 

Pajmon

🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Language
🇸🇰
Joined
Feb 22, 2025
Messages
70
Reaction score
26
Points
8
Please. How do I have a reaction more nabh4? I threw in for 6 hours but still not much nabh4 dissolved. In the end, when I added acid, the whole thing thickened after filtration, a white substance remained, but I suppose it's nabh4.. I followed the instructions I don't know what's wrong.
 

Swirly

🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Language
🇬🇧
Joined
Oct 2, 2023
Messages
66
Reaction score
27
Points
18
My mescaline guide might help for 1 or 2 mol amounts. Possibly up to 500 g+ in a 20 L reaction vessel.

The same procedure for P2NP as with Mescaline nitrostyrene, however I do not know if it is more reactive. Have not worked with it.

Take a look here:

Or posted here (if starting from benzaldehyde):
 

pureevil

🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Language
🇷🇺
Joined
Jul 9, 2025
Messages
7
Reaction score
1
Points
3
My friend and I always cooked amphetamine in the forest.
That is, for synthesis we really only needed 3 construction basins, Phenyl-nitropropene, several boxes of mercury thermometers, hydrochloric acid, gasoline and some special ribbons that show the reaction.

My role was always bring and serve, but we produced this product of 99.8% purity.
We had no competition in Moscow :/
JkXmlJKwSW
R26aY5Ubl3
W3xgS2lksF


we didn't use fucking acetone because it's bad for your health
 
Last edited:

GhostChemist

🐝SuperModerator
Expert
🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Joined
Nov 20, 2022
Messages
363
Reaction score
554
Points
93
What is the salt of amphetamine present on this photos?
 
View previous replies…

pureevil

🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Language
🇷🇺
Joined
Jul 9, 2025
Messages
7
Reaction score
1
Points
3
At one point in Russia, they suddenly cut off the liquid propen supply—left a bunch of wannabe cooks totally clueless. Product turned out nasty as hell, colors ranging from sketchy pinks to filthy yellows and straight-up horrifying oranges. But my homie was different—he was one of the few who knew the synthesis inside and out. Back in the day, he cooked pristine pervitin for the whole block, but dude got busted—hit him with a solid 20-year stretch. Luckily there’s a war poppin' off, so he'll probably get tossed onto the front lines and bounce back home early. Then we'll pick right back up where we left off.
 

GhostChemist

🐝SuperModerator
Expert
🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Joined
Nov 20, 2022
Messages
363
Reaction score
554
Points
93
but you say "...3 construction basins, Phenyl-nitropropene, several boxes of mercury thermometers, hydrochloric acid, gasoline and some special ribbons..." and in your list of reagents only hydrochloric acid
 

GhostChemist

🐝SuperModerator
Expert
🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Joined
Nov 20, 2022
Messages
363
Reaction score
554
Points
93
in this synthesis using only this reagents "...Phenyl-nitropropene, several boxes of mercury thermometers, hydrochloric acid, gasoline and some special ribbons..." amp sulfate cannot be obtained.

with hydrochloric acid obtain amp hydrochloride
with sulphuric acid obtain amp sulphate
 

G.Patton

🐝SuperModerator
⭐️MODERATOR⭐️
Expert
🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Joined
Jul 5, 2021
Messages
3,315
Solutions
3
Reaction score
3,817
Points
113
Deals
1
Your reagents list remind different synthesis way (Al/Hg approach). Why did you write this post under NaBH4 method? It's, also, interesting about HCl and sulphate salt.
 

Pajmon

🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Language
🇸🇰
Joined
Feb 22, 2025
Messages
70
Reaction score
26
Points
8
Lately, I have not been able to get this reaction. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Before that, I had better results. I always make only a lot of 10 grams, I don't know what I'm doing wrong, maybe someone can help. I have the ratio of substances as in the video, I use a half-liter flask with 3 holes - thermometer, cooler and hole where I put it. I use magnetic stirring. I think that's enough for that amount. In the first phase, my temperature is around 40-50 degrees, every time it starts to drop, I make a match. I tried 2 but also 4 hours with the same result. In the second phase, when I add a small amount, my temperature does not rise, as a result I have maybe half a gram. Before that, I used to have 5-6 grams. After adding H3PO4 drops, the whole thing thickened, now only a little bit is formed. I don't know what I'm doing wrong
 

G.Patton

🐝SuperModerator
⭐️MODERATOR⭐️
Expert
🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Joined
Jul 5, 2021
Messages
3,315
Solutions
3
Reaction score
3,817
Points
113
Deals
1
Hi. Did you ad CuCl2 and reach this temperature?
 
View previous replies…

Pajmon

🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Language
🇸🇰
Joined
Feb 22, 2025
Messages
70
Reaction score
26
Points
8
yes, after adding CuCl2, I keep the temperature at 75-80 °C. When I did it before, it worked. I don't know where I'm making a mistake and why the yield is so small.. I'll try a different extraction method, I read somewhere here that it works without acetone
 

Pajmon

🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Language
🇸🇰
Joined
Feb 22, 2025
Messages
70
Reaction score
26
Points
8
When I finish the first phase the temperature is around 50c. then I add CuCl2 but the temperature doesn't increase by itself I have to heat it up and I think the reaction is going on for a short time I follow it by the formation of bubbles but I don't know if that's right..otherwise everything looks like in the video. it happened to me but when I put a-oil in the freezer ice formed there so I think that in the phase when the hydroxide is added it didn't distribute as it should but I also don't know why..I'll try to buy another IPA, I used it differently than when I did it before. maybe that's the problem.. I'm most angry when I tried it the first time it worked much better
 

G.Patton

🐝SuperModerator
⭐️MODERATOR⭐️
Expert
🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Joined
Jul 5, 2021
Messages
3,315
Solutions
3
Reaction score
3,817
Points
113
Deals
1
What color of your CuCl2?
>>but when I put a-oil in the freezer ice formed there
On a what step? Was it after acidification on Step 11? It's okay because your acid contains water. What pH have you reached?
 

Pajmon

🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Language
🇸🇰
Joined
Feb 22, 2025
Messages
70
Reaction score
26
Points
8
The color of CuCl2 is the same as in the video, and I only added a few drops of acid, but there was a lot of ice. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, everything looks good, the temperature has also risen after adding CuCl2, you need to have a higher temperature than I had. A-oil looks good, but I can't get amphetamine... and I'm gradually lowering the pH to 5.
 

G.Patton

🐝SuperModerator
⭐️MODERATOR⭐️
Expert
🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Joined
Jul 5, 2021
Messages
3,315
Solutions
3
Reaction score
3,817
Points
113
Deals
1
As I see, the problem with acidification procedure. You should reach pH6, not less.

So, you get a-oil, separate it from IPA and did everything like in the method?
 

mile123

🥷 RESIDENT 🥷
New deal
Language
🇺🇸
Joined
Sep 18, 2024
Messages
17
Reaction score
2
Points
3
Hello!

I built small version of batch chemical reactor that has 0.01C temperature precision, handle vacuum distillation while stirring, accurately add p2np in small portions using feeder, built from organic chemistry glassware. If you feed it with correct amounts and chemicals, it would produce without putting any additional effort.

I'm looking for a partner, who can get me chemicals in larger quantities, especially nitroethane. Chemical knowledge is also welcomed, since I'm mechanical engineer.
It would take me a lot of effort and energy to get the chemicals while I want to foucus on technology and product.

Send me dm if you are interested.
 
Top