Amphetamine synthesis from P2NP via Al/Hg (video)

[HEISENBERG]

if i can found all i need.... ;P
do you have any advice for this amateur chemist?
first of all, thanks

XiaoyanYou can voice the problems that stand in the way of success. And we will try to find a solution together.

 

[Kai]

thanks for the video it was quite enlightening to bad my crappy network speed made it watching this a nightmare

 

[HEISENBERG]

thanks for the video it was quite enlightening to bad my crappy network speed made it watching this a nightmare

KaiVideo instructions are very convenient for those who are just taking their first steps. For more experienced chemists, simple instructions are sufficient. You can download this video.

 

[spongebomb]

Video instructions are very convenient for those who are just taking their first steps. For more experienced chemists, simple instructions are sufficient. You can download this video.

HEISENBERGyears ago, videos like this would have helped me so much not to have to search for and combine all my knowledge as a layman somewhere among half-truths. Plus the often incorrect translation ... not everything was better back then

 

[Xiaoyan]

You can voice the problems that stand in the way of success. And we will try to find a solution together.

HEISENBERGyes, i willi try.
my english is very poor, soit might take a while to answer
first i want to ask about P2PN
where can i find a trusted seller?
(dont know if can i do this question here, if i cant, tell me to erase it please)

 

[HEISENBERG]

yes, i willi try.
my english is very poor, soit might take a while to answer
first i want to ask about P2PN
where can i find a trusted seller?
(dont know if can i do this question here, if i cant, tell me to erase it please)

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[Xiaoyan]

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HEISENBERGwhere can i ask for it?

 

[HEISENBERG]

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[Hans-Dietrich]

first i want to ask about P2PN
where can i find a trusted seller?

XiaoyanNowhere.

It is an exclusively criminal product. Try to synthesize yourself. This is not difficult. Instructions are here.

 

[cyb3r0]

welcome
My friend in the video, specifically this picture in the bag, says that it is sodium hydroxide and it is in the form of crystals, and the hydroxide I have is liquid. Can you explain this point to me?

The second thing, is p2np here, the topic in the video is powder, crystals or liquid, and if it is liquid, how was it converted from crystals to liquid or powder, thank you

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

Sodium hydroxide initially has a crystalline structure. Next, an alkali solution is made from it by adding water. Phenylnitropropene is also a powder, but for this reaction make its solution in isopropyl alcohol and acetic acid. Before the start of the synthesis, the laboratory assistant prepared a solution of 10 g of 1-phenyl-2-nitropropene in 100 ml of isopropyl alcohol and 50 ml of acetic acid.
0:04-0:40 - Preparation of an aqueous solution of alkali. In this video, it was made in advance so that the solution cools down by the time the main reaction mixture alkalizes. Alkalinization proceeds with the release of heat, and if a fresh hot alkali solution is used, then the exothermic will be more pronounced and forced cooling of the reaction mass will be required.

 

[tankikan]

Nowhere.

It is an exclusively criminal product. Try to synthesize yourself. This is not difficult. Instructions are here.

Hans-DietrichHi. Do you mind to provide the exact link for my refference to synthesize the p2pn? Sorry noob request here. Just afraid i'm referring to the wrong post later. Thanks in advance.

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

Hi. Do you mind to provide the exact link for my refference to synthesize the p2pn? Sorry noob request here. Just afraid i'm referring to the wrong post later. Thanks in advance.

tankikan

http://chemforum.info/index.php?thr...nyl-2-nitropropene-100-1000g-scale-mw-syn.52/

 

[salaubry]

In the video synthesis of amphetamine, reagents are used:
10 g 1-phenyl-2-nitropropene;
100 ml isopropyl alcohol;
50 ml glacial acetic acid;
50 g sodium hydroxide;
12 g aluminium (in the form of sliced household foil);
0.1g mercury nitrate;
2 ml sulphuric acid;
50 ml acetone.

Description of amphetamine synthesis video.
Before the start of the synthesis, the laboratory assistant prepared a solution of 10 g of 1-phenyl-2-nitropropene in 100 ml of isopropyl alcohol and 50 ml of acetic acid. Also, for the aluminium amalgam, 12 g of household aluminium foil was prepared, which was cut into small pieces with a paper shredder. It can be cut with scissors or torn by hand.

0:04-0:40 - Preparation of an aqueous solution of alkali. In this video, it was made in advance so that the solution cools down by the time the main reaction mixture alkalizes. Alkalinization proceeds with the release of heat, and if a fresh hot alkali solution is used, then the exothermic will be more pronounced and forced cooling of the reaction mass will be required.

0:46-2:36 - Amalgam of mercury nitrate. Amalgamated aluminium will reduce 1-phenyl-2-nitropropene to amphetamine. During the amalgamation reaction: little gas evolves, a grey precipitate is formed. It is important not to miss the moment when the aluminium is ready: this can be determined by the formation of a grey precipitate and by the increased gas evolution; this happens in 10-15 minutes after the load.
The water is drained without removing the gauze, the amalgamated aluminium is washed with two portions of cold water. It is worth paying attention to the release of gas bubbles: it is noticed that with the "correct" amalgam, these bubbles are small, and the colour of the liquid is darker; if the bubbles are large and the colour is light, and the reaction looks violent, the amalgam is bad. This is almost certainly due to a lack of mercury salt. Please note that mercury salts are poisonous.

2:37-4:28 - The most important part of the process is the reduction of 1-phenyl-2-nitropropene on aluminium amalgam. The reaction is exothermic, proceeds with abundant heat release. During the process, it is necessary to carefully monitor the temperature, in case of excessive overheating, to cool in an ice bath, it is allowed to add cold water to the flask. There are cases when the reaction does not start, in which case it is necessary to warm the reaction mass thoroughly, and with a properly prepared amalgam, the reaction begins. The reaction proceeds with the release of the smell of a boiling alcohol and acetic acid mixture. To capture vapours, a spherical irrigation condenser is used, the efficiency of which can be increased by connecting running cold water to it or simply pouring cold water into.

5:04 - You can rinse the flask with a little alcohol and rinse the unreacted aluminium with it to collect residues and increase the yield.

5:13 - There should be little unreacted aluminium left. By the residues, you can determine the amount of 1-phenyl-2-nitropropene reacted.

5:16-6:13 - Alkalinization. The reaction proceeds with the release of heat. The remains of unreacted aluminium will additionally enter into reaction with alkali and heat the mixture, as well as create by-products.
In the process of allowing the mixture to rest after alkalinization, separation into visible layers occurs within 30 minutes. The pH of the top layer should be 11-12.

6:18-7:23 - Decantation: collect the top layer containing amphetamine base in alcohol. It can be dried a little with anhydrous magnesium sulfate, and the slag can be additionally extracted with a non-polar solvent (ether, benzene, toluene), the solvent is then evaporated.

7:24-8:50 - Preparing a solution of sulphuric acid in acetone. It is made softer acidification of the product to be smoother. If concentrated sulphuric acid is used, there may be local over-acidification of the product.

8:51-10:53 - Product acidification - obtaining amphetamine sulfate. To the upper yellow layer collected at the previous stage, a prepared solution of sulphuric acid is added dropwise. Flakes of salt will form with each drop. This stage is very important, it is necessary to carefully monitor the pH, avoiding over-acidification. Acidification is continued until pH 5.5-6 (neutral). The over-acidified product will be pinkish in colour. In case of global over-acidification, the product will be lost.

10:55-11:38 - Filtration of amphetamine sulfate from solvents in a Buchner funnel under vacuum. At this stage, the product can be additionally rinsed with cold acetone by pouring it through the funnel with the substance.

11:41-12:28 Filtration using improvised means. Any thick fabric can be used as a filter.
The resulting product is dried in a warm dry place for several hours to remove residual solvents. It is recommended to store it in a vacuum package.

The yield is 60-70%.if I halve the ingredients

HIGGS BOSSON

 

[salaubry]

Some problem if I halve the ingredients of the recipe in a one liter flat bottom flask?

 

[WillD]

Some problem if I halve the ingredients of the recipe in a one liter flat bottom flask?

salaubry10 g can be in a 1 L flask if the reaction is controlled, but hard.

 

[WillD]

Round bottom flasks are designed to have round bodies with long, thin necks to facilitate uniform heat distribution and minimize evaporation.

ArsoleDickiteDistribution of heat for round flask, you're all right. But about evaporations - use excess solvent or reflux condenser. Flat-bottom flask, more accessible to use.

I also guess the distribution of pressure works differently. I'm not sure but isn't one part of this process explosive? I have the feeling that a fully spherical body can better withstand pressure better than a fully squared body.

If you do not deal with open burning, then everything is fine

But no, there should be no problem. I guess if you really want to you could also use a heat resistance plastic bottle.

Yes, it is possible to use plastic for these reactions, but with some conditions

 

[salaubry]

10g can be in a 1L flask if the reaction is controlled, but hard.

William Dampierthanks for reply!
What I would like to know is if halving the quantities the reaction will be the same.
In my country is difficult to find 2 liters flask, i only found 1 lt flask, perphaps for law on alchool distillery or other shit...
I'm happy, this forum open me a universe!

 

[Montecristo]

Awesome video! I just got some p2np and almost ready to go, I just need to get some sulfuric acid and some Hg. I am chatting to supplier about some Hg and I have a question for you guys , I can get mercury nitrate and chloride, which should i get ? The chloride is cheaper than the nitrate so i am assumming that would be better but Itll last a lifetime so i really dont mind investing in something better ($45 for chloride and $70 for nitrate).
Also , pure sulfuric acid is not available to public where I am , i think I can get 60% cleaning stuff do you think i could boil/distill this upto a good percentage or should I try harder to buy the 95% stuff?
Also, I have a 5000ml and 2000ml flat bottom conical flask, how much is the max i could run ?
also could i use a glass demijohn (21L or 11.5L) and a ice bath and do 100g runs safely? or would this be hard to work with/not able to handle the exothermic reaction?
Thanks for your time, Happy New Year!

 

[MadHatter]

You can boil down the sulphuric acid, but you will get massive amounts of corrosive and toxic fumes. So you need to do it outside.
When you boil down the acid, you will also concentrate any impurities that might be in the acid, so you'll end up with a dirty product. To overcome this, you might think about distilling your SA. You need a good heatsource and good, professional glassware for this, since distillation of SA occurs at above 300 degrees C. Just search youtube for info, and please do educate yourself about all the dangers involved in boiling and distilling SA before undertaking it.

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

Awesome video! I just got some p2np and almost ready to go, I just need to get some sulfuric acid and some Hg. I am chatting to supplier about some Hg and I have a question for you guys , I can get mercury nitrate and chloride, which should i get ? The chloride is cheaper than the nitrate so i am assumming that would be better but Itll last a lifetime so i really dont mind investing in something better ($45 for chloride and $70 for nitrate).
Also , pure sulfuric acid is not available to public where I am , i think I can get 60% cleaning stuff do you think i could boil/distill this upto a good percentage or should I try harder to buy the 95% stuff?
Also, I have a 5000ml and 2000ml flat bottom conical flask, how much is the max i could run ?
also could i use a glass demijohn (21L or 11.5L) and a ice bath and do 100g runs safely? or would this be hard to work with/not able to handle the exothermic reaction?
Thanks for your time, Happy New Year!

thatfellaIt is better to use mercury nitrate, given that very small amounts are needed for synthesis, the costs will be insignificant. If you have difficulty buying concentrated sulfuric acid, you can evaporate water from a 65 percent solution. Glass demijohn is not heat-resistant, during an exothermic reaction, the vessel can burst and cause a lot of trouble. It is best to put the first syntheses in small flasks with minimal loads of phenylnitropropene, and with increasing experience, gradually increase the load of the precursor. The video clearly shows the process under ideal conditions, but in this reaction there are problems, and only experience helps to find solutions for them.