i have some questions about clandestine synthesis of amphetamine sulfate

[ymaaah]

Hi everyone, im new here and im a beginner so I have some stupid question, idk if someone ever asked them but anyway, lets begin !

it is better to have a elrlenmeyer and to heat on a hob, or a flat bottom flask and heat in a water bath? I think the flat bottom flask is better because there is more heating contact than erlenmeyer, im right?

this is my "setup"

a extractor hood like this is good?


I really need a condenser and others stuff? If I dont have, my yield will be less high isnt it?


Thanks for your answers !

 

[KokosDreams]

how is steam distillation expensive bruh, it's a refrigerant, an adapter, an extra flask and water

UWe9o12jkied91dYeah steam distillation set-ups can be bought for very less (100EUR or so, without a fridge). I was rather referring to a Rotavap and then the whole package.. sorry for not being clear enough

 

[ymaaah]

That depends on what you're looking to manufacture and also your personal requirements on equipment.

While lots of stuff can be improvised, I'd say that you can easily get a starter kit for some synthesises (small scale) from 1.000 - 2.500, where 2.500 would already be a lot.
Where it can get pricy is if you are looking to add further set-ups to your lab for purification (steam distillation, rotavaps...).

KokosDreamsonly for sulfate amph, 1000-2500€ for a small lab ?!

I think I dont understand x)

 

[KokosDreams]

only for sulfate amph, 1000-2500€ for a small lab ?!

ymaaahIt really just depends on the size of your equipment and the quality of your glassware.

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/one-pot-amphetamine-synthesis-from-p2np-with-nabh4-cucl2-1kg-scale.70/

The thread I linked above has a list that includes all equipment you might need. Whereas this specific post is about a larger scale, you can easily scale down the synthesis and glassware you use.

In this case:

- a Nutsche filter could be replaced with a vacuum distillation aparatus.
- A batch reactor can be replaced with a 3-necked round bottom flask or even a 5-necked round bottom flask

 

[ymaaah]

It really just depends on the size of your equipment and the quality of your glassware.

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/one-pot-amphetamine-synthesis-from-p2np-with-nabh4-cucl2-1kg-scale.70/

The thread I linked above has a list that includes all equipment you might need. Whereas this specific post is about a larger scale, you can easily scale down the synthesis and glassware you use.

In this case:

- a Nutsche filter could be replaced with a vacuum distillation aparatus.
- A batch reactor can be replaced with a 3-necked round bottom flask or even a 5-necked round bottom flask

KokosDreamsokay I will do that, why take a 3 or 5-necked round bottom flask instead of a simple round bottom flask? this is for only sulfate amphetamine synthesis

 

[KokosDreams]

okay I will do that, why take a 3 or 5-necked round bottom flask instead of a simple round bottom flask? this is for only sulfate amphetamine synthesis

ymaaahAre you looking to create the freebase needed for the sulphate yourself from scratch or are you buying it off the streets?

If the first scenario is the case, a 3-neck RBF or even 5-neck RBF is recommended.

A 5-neck would be best for the following:

1. Main Joint: Overhead stirrer
2. Side Joint: Thermometer inlet
3. Side Joint: Drip Funnel/Dropping Funnel to load fluids/liquids
4. Side Joint: Loader for solid/Funnel for solids
5. Side Joint: Reflux Condenser

If you only got a 3-Neck RBF you could do it like this:

1. Main Joint: Overhead stirrer
2. Side Joint: Reflux Condenser
3. Side Joint: Used for all remaining like: Thermometer, Drip Funnel, Loader

Generally speaking it is not required and can work with a single neck/joint RBF, the above described is just a little more handy when trying bigger scales (20L RBF) as it is very similar to how bigger reactors (50L, 100L, 200L) are build.

Cincerly,

Koko

 

[ymaaah]

No I want to make the complete synthesis

Okay I will check, it will depends of my budget, but to begin I think I will buy 2000ml flat bottom flask to make little amount of sulfate amph, and if im good, I will buy bigger flask ect ect

With 2L flask, I can make approximately 20g of sulfate so its good, and to begin, I will try to make 2g of sulfate or 1g, to reduce risks of accidents

 

[Fenster]

This thread is hilarious.

 

[yin-yang]

Yes, always start small scale. Al/Hg reduction (assuming you ll using that as almost all of us begun with this one) will generate a lot of heat. Have patience when adding solution of P2NP, once I didn't cool the temp enough and my flask had raging volcano all that on 15gr scale. Treat chems with respect. Luckily I had thick gloves and full body suit. PPE is a must, get that before anything else.

 

[ymaaah]

This thread is hilarious.

Fensteryeah

 

[ymaaah]

Yes, always start small scale. Al/Hg reduction (assuming you ll using that as almost all of us begun with this one) will generate a lot of heat. Have patience when adding solution of P2NP, once I didn't cool the temp enough and my flask had raging volcano all that on 15gr scale. Treat chems with respect. Luckily I had thick gloves and full body suit. PPE is a must, get that before anything else.

wannabeechemistyeah I will buy gloves and a body suit for corrosive chemicals products

 

[TheShocker]

you guys are way too nice. somone posting up a picture of a kitchen on the internet i would assume was either trolling or a kid. i applaud your patience and determination for helping...

 

[Fenster]

yeah

ymaaahYou are asking questions and getting answers for things that are litterally either shown in pics or learnt from basic experiments.

What are you going to do for P2NP?

 

[Fenster]

you guys are way too nice. somone posting up a picture of a kitchen on the internet i would assume was either trolling or a kid. i applaud your patience and determination for helping...

TheShockerI don't think it's helping at all. It's encouraging an attitude of soon feeding and could end up quite dangerous for the OP.

 

[TheShocker]

yes agreed..spoon feeding is ok after basic safety and knowledge has been demonstrated but i guess everyone has their own learning curve. but if that is dudes kitchen then he wont be around for long making decisions like that..hes gonna either blow his house up or get arrested real fast

 

[Fenster]

Imagine a 2g reaction in 2L 5neck flask.

 

[TheShocker]

i would imagine his idea of a 5 neck flask would be a tea kettle with dixie cups duct tapes on top as the necks

 

[Fenster]

i would imagine his idea of a 5 neck flask would be a tea kettle with dixie cups duct tapes on top as the necks

TheShockerHey! My kettle is a staunch Rx vessel!

I'd be more impressed if he started there and then upgraded with experience. Litterally some of started with mason jars and cheese cloth. Gerry rigged mag Stir devices and slow cooker oil baths.

 

[ymaaah]

you guys are way too nice. somone posting up a picture of a kitchen on the internet i would assume was either trolling or a kid. i applaud your patience and determination for helping...

TheShockerI didnt say it was my kitchen, I said my kitchen was like this...

 

[ymaaah]

You are asking questions and getting answers for things that are litterally either shown in pics or learnt from basic experiments.

What are you going to do for P2NP?

Fensternitrochemis for P2NP

yeah I know my questions are stupid, I said it in my first message

 

[Fenster]

If you know it's stupid, why ask?

You will get a lot more respect if you demonstrate your ability to do your own research first, then ask questions directly related to processes or chemistry.

Your question gets in the way, and clogs up the thread.