Methamphetamine Synthesis From P2P Via Al/Hg

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Why no-where bubbeling occurs in hexane? And washing with hot water with NaCl and baking soda take alot of impurities.

Nevertheless if you use methanol instead of IPA you can do a direct extraction from the reaction mixture after adding lye with hexane.
 

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Why no-where bubbeling occurs in hexane? And washing with hot water with NaCl and baking soda take alot of impurities.

Nevertheless if you use methanol instead of IPA you can do a direct extraction from the reaction mixture after adding lye with hexane.
Jordan BelfortAlso if you use nitromethane instead of methylamine you don't need to do coolin, plus you can distill and reuse your methylamine source. Less waste and less coste
 
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I am now checking if it's truly dextro when I make crystal from it. Once crystal is made I might put here. I must also mention I don't have the correct ratios yet I need to do more reactions
Jordan Belfortafter vacuum destillation i must also do liquid liquid extraction with acid base if you want to put dry hcl gas in it else you must put freezer. i found out harsh way.
 

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This picture indicates the reaction of nitromethane reduction with hydrochloric acid and tin metal
To produce methylamine gas
wael ganoyou worked with nitromethane before ? I have problems isolating the product that I will probably acified it in the future with citric acid and then vacuum distill all of, and from there one add lye to basify it again and the further vacuum distill the base (and water then ofcourse) and then extract distiliate with hexane and bubble dry HCL gas through it.

Or just freeze it and recrystallize it with IPA.
 

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Also if you use nitromethane instead of methylamine you don't need to do coolin, plus you can distill and reuse your methylamine source. Less waste and less coste
Jordan BelfortCan you please explain how to use nitromethane instead of methlamin
In this reaction?

Is it possible do
Use RC fuel meaning 10% nitromethane 90%methonol and mix it with the rest of the recipe?
 

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Try using non-toxic Aluminum Galinstan amalgam.
 

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thank you for the advice. Can anyone confirm if it's good to replace Al/Hg?
neoking8With ultrasound you can activate Al foil, I added also gallium chloride when making but reaction didn't proceed I think as it should but once you add lye you get instant vulcano reaction (enjoy the high)
 

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With ultrasound you can activate Al foil, I added also gallium chloride when making but reaction didn't proceed I think as it should but once you add lye you get instant vulcano reaction (enjoy the high)
Jordan BelfortUltrasound only works for grignard reactions to activate magnesium. Don't add sodium hydroxide! If gallium chloride doesn't activate the aluminum foil, try Galinstan (Gallium Indium Tin alloy). You heat up Aluminum foil pieces and Galinstan in a crucible and have a 90%-95% Aluminum and 5%-10% Galinstan. You dissolve P2P (Phenyl-2-Propanone) and ethylamine in ethanol and hydrogen oxide (distilled water, H2O) and add Aluminum Galinstan (Al/GaInSn) and then heat it for a few hours to get Ethylamphetamine. Using methylamine will make methamphetamine. Using Ammonia will make amphetamine, though in lower yield. Devil Springs and Everclear have high ethanol content. The Galinstan is recoverable and reusable.
 

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With ultrasound you can activate Al foil, I added also gallium chloride when making but reaction didn't proceed I think as it should but once you add lye you get instant vulcano reaction (enjoy the high)
Jordan BelfortYou don't add sodium hydroxide (lye) to it because it will contaminate the gallium.
 

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hello really good content sir not a good chemistry background but just a question can we use p2p obtain form

Phenylacetone (P2P) synthesis via BMK ethyl glycidat and steam distillation​

in this method
 

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The reactions proceed according to the Scheme 1.

Reagents and Materials:

  • Aluminum foil 14 µm, 6 g
  • Mercury(II) chloride, 0.05 g
  • Distilled water, 2-3 liters
  • P2P (from p2np via NaBH4 reduction and steam distill) 5 g
  • Aqueous methylamine 39%, 15 ml
  • Sodium chloride, 5 g in 15 ml water
  • IPA (isopropyl alcohol) or ethanol, 100 ml
  • DCM (dichloromethane) 75-100 ml
  • Ammonium chloride, 50-100 g
  • Concentrated sulfuric acid 80%, 20-25 ml
  • Technical-grade water, 2 liters with 500 g of ice
  • Anhydrous sodium sulfate, 20-30 g
  • 5 ml 25% NaOH
  • Diethyl ether, 5-10 ml
  • 2-liter, 500 ml, 250 ml flasks
  • 500 ml three-necked flask for generating hydrogen chloride
  • Reflux condenser
  • Setup for solvent distillation with a water bath
  • Vacuum filtration setup
  • Separatory funnel
  • Silicone grease for grinding
  • Filter paper
  • Funnels
  • Beakers
  • Heater

Synthesis Procedure

A 2-liter flask is charged with aluminum foil and filled with water so that the foil is submerged beneath its layer. Dry mercury(II) chloride is added, and the mixture is vigorously stirred until active hydrogen evolution occurs and a dull appearance forms on the foil. Fig 1

Active hydrogen evolution during the preparation of an amalgam. Fig 2

Methylamine, sodium chloride solution, p2p and ethanol are added to the prepared amalgam. A reflux condenser is connected. Fig 3

When the flask is strongly heated (above 40-50°C), cooling in an ice bath is necessary. Fig 4

Appearance of the reaction mixture inside the flask during the active progression of the process. Fig 5

Next, a sodium hydroxide solution is added to the reaction mixture to dissolve excess aluminum, and it is left for approximately 1 hour. The resulting reaction mixture is poured onto a filter without further washing of the sludge. Fig 6

The obtained amine solution is extracted with several portions of DCM (dichloromethane). Fig 7

The DCM layer is separated in a separating funnel. The separated DCM layer, if necessary, is filtered, dried with anhydrous sodium sulfate, and distilled to an oil at T=90°C.
The extract in DCM is distilled before distillation. Fig 8


Free base after distillation of DCM. Fig 9

Next, a stream of gaseous hydrogen chloride is passed into the solution of the amine in ethanol until a strong acidic reaction and the appearance of a pink color in the solution. The obtained solution is evaporated to crystallization. Hydrogen chloride is obtained by adding sulfuric acid to ammonium chloride.
Crystallization of the amine hydrochloride. Fig 10


The crystallized amine hydrochloride. Fig 11

The crystallized mass is washed with diethyl ether (5-10 ml), filtered, and dried. Fig 12

The yield without additional sludge washing was 4.5 g, or 65% of the theoretical yield.
The loss in the sludge is 0.5 g, or 7.2%.
GhostChemistIs this procedure verified, at times they will just post a procedure that is not real,
 

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I need a chemist in my lifee!!
 

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Can we use methanol instead of ethanol or IPA
 

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Can we use methanol instead of ethanol or IPA
jasperIPA allows layering of the oil though, which means less boiling off/isolating.

Make sure you OVER use lye to neutralize the nitromethane because you will extract it. I personally suggest you use methanol, and hexane for extraction.

FITLER THE ALUFOIL off before adding lye because you get aluminium oxide in your hexane layer, impossible to clean unless you use celite or vacuum distill.

if you didn't use enough caustic the nitromethane will form an aezotrope with the freebase and distill it through your pumps.

only thing that could work, but yet have to try, extract with hexane if using methanol and acidfy with citric acid then distill off the nitromethane then freebase the oil again and distill.
 

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can sulfuric acid be replaced by hydrochloric acid?
 

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can sulfuric acid be replaced by hydrochloric acid?
virus0815incase of starting the almgam you would want to add some sulfuric acid.

For crystallsation, yes you can use sulfuric acid if you want to smoke the sulfate but I suggest HCL.
 

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incase of starting the almgam you would want to add some sulfuric acid.

For crystallsation, yes you can use sulfuric acid if you want to smoke the sulfate but I suggest HCL.
Jordan BelfortCan we convert the free base into methamphetamine hydrochloride with 37% hydrochloric acid? Also, in some videos, I have seen that the free base is converted directly into the hydrochloride salt with dry HCl gas, without the use of toluene. Why is that?
 
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